I’ve recently studied the harm element a lot. Someone would be better smoking some tobacco than vaping, instead. Propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin are the two inhalants used but when used with vaping, the daily dose is 1,000 what an asthma inhaler user, which has the same ingredients, would take into the body.
PG is cytotoxic. The skin is an organ of elimination, hence the 1 in 10 problem of total body rash. It still is affecting internal cells even though a skin reaction is not manifested.
Also, with vaping, flavours are now added (for the first time ever). No-one INHALED flavours before, taking these into the body through the lungs.
The information regarding real risk is only found in crevices on the net. Big money to be made and real concerns are not getting much traction as of yet, alas.
I have no need to debate the topic and feel others opinions and findings are as appropriate as my own. Any ideas I ‘adopt’ are usually first intensely researched, dissected and personally experienced. But no one would know this if they do not know me. I was not an early adopter of vaping, and I can only say that I it works for me and I have experienced positive results on many levels. Not attempting to convert anyone. Just sharing.
Not sure. I can’t tell if Lawrence is aware that you were replying to anon38262219 or not.
The reply arrow indicator can take a bit to spot. Maybe Lawrence thought you were posting a non-sequitor?
Oops, my error. Lawrence was replying to this, Ron:
If you click on the reply arrow from Lawrence’s post it takes you to specifically what he responding to.
The post confused me, also. Maybe it refers to a post that happened 20 posts earlier. If someone is going to be part of discussion, it would vastly help if it were made clear as to what the person is referring especially if they are taking umbrage.
I won’t debate the topic either, but I do know that if you believe something will harm you, then it will. I vape but haven’t been able to stop smoking completely because it has become a compulsion at this point. I’ve been smoking for 50 years, and quitting is easier said than done. When vaping I don’t use tobacco flavors, I prefer things like mocha. I get my juice from a reputable company that cares about quality. You can even have things like ginseng, herbs and vitamins added at no extra cost. I find vaping much more pleasurable than smoking, it tastes so much cleaner, and leaves no nasty taste behind, it’s just that damn compulsion for tobacco! I believe that moderation is the key to anything that we ingest. Too much of anything, even healthy foods, can be harmful. Just throwing my 2 cents in, but like I said, not gonna debate it. Got better things to do.
Would you share the same of the e-juice company that will add “ginseng, herbs and vitamins at no extra cost”?!! I vape tobacco favor (but it tastes good not nasty), but have been very interested in a good mocha, as well, and my source does not offer it. I get 15 ml btls. for $8, 30 ml for $15, and I haven’t purchased a 60 ml, so don’t know what the price is on that. They make juice for cloud-chasing, but I don’t do that. My source, is going to start offering their juices to other wholesalers and possibly on-line (?) retail.
Sure, check it out! You can completely customize your juice. They have hundreds of flavors, but I’d stay away from the bacon. It’s tastes like bacon that hasn’t been cooked, ew!
The various unfortunate effects that SEEM to be caused by smoking are
not caused by the cigarettes so much, as by the psychic habits which
cause a personality to seek security within such habitual patterns that
become compulsive.
When the inner patterns are broken the effects cease, but the inner
patterns are associated by the personality with those outer habits.
Indeed the need for the habits creates the exteriour habit. This is
almost a mechanistic response that is confining, and indeed detrimental
to expansion.
Some personalities need a habit security, and will switch from one
habit to another.
Early Sessions book 3, session 148, page 337. - by Jane Roberts (C) L.Butts
one more on Jane’s smoking habit: the ‘reasoning’ behind it…
First, naturally, I have a few comments to make that will not only
tie in Ruburt’s smoking habits with his present personality, but also
to some extent tie in his present personality with past
personalities.
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His smoking represents the tail end of a characteristic greediness
that besieged him in past lives, with smoking this time as a remnant.
The greediness in the past involved many more areas. It included a
strong appetite toward stuffing himself with food and drink, and an
overall greediness of appetite, even of intellectual and emotional
greediness which he has largely overcome.
snip
There is also here connected only with his present personality an
ego image of the writer with a cigarette. In this case the cigarette
represents independance and even individuality, and even female
emancipation. So it is all bound up together in a rather mazelike
web. I hope that when Ruburt understands this it will make it easier
for him.
As I said it also has to do with a panicky gobbling of air as if he
could never get enough. As a child at one time he died from
suffocation, and this also has its bearings here in the present, the
panicky gulping of air being a mechanism of subconscious memory. I do
hope that this helps him.
snip
The habit for various reasons then is deeply rooted, and seemed to
be a harmless answer to a number of past and present needs and
problems.
It aggravates a certain amount of nervousness however and it is not
beneficial. In this also a definate but not bullying attitude is
important.
snip
This “gluttony”, and you may put that in qoutes, actually
represented a terrific capacity for all kinds of consumption, and the
consumption of knowledge was no exception. An impatience was also
important, and the capacity also showed itself in an ability for
psychic knowledge and a thirst in all matters pertaining to the
intellect, emotions and the physical.
snip
There has here been a willingness to experience, to experiment and
to give as well as a ferocious capacitty to take in. The trouble in
the past has been a lack of discretion and self-discipline. He was
always a pleasure loving personality however and avoided anything
unpleasent. His early circumstances in this life were chosen by him
as a needed experience. In other lives he was able to exist without
too much adversity and this time he chose troublesome and truly
tragic circumstances as a needed challenge.
Early Sessions book 1, session 32, pages 243-245 - by Jane Roberts (C) L.Butts
Perfect @Rachel! Let me also add, from TES, session 31 pg 241:
" I would also like to really bawl Ruburt out in strongest terms about his smoking habits. This time of year in particular too much smoking is not good; and he knows I was going to say this and blocked me nicely since the beginning of this session."
This comes a couple of pages before your quote in which Seth went into more detail.
If we were “immune” to radiation that would mean that we could become invisible, since we are visible due to our bodies reacting with radiation in the optical band. Maybe if we were X-Men lol.
Radiation has various effects. Microwave radiation excites water molecules causing them to boil (and our bodies are about 60% water…). Ultraviolet radiation destroys cells by breaking molecular bonds. Higher energy radiation (x-ray and gamma) tends to be ionizing (it causes atoms and molecules to lose electrons), and can destroy DNA.
While you may be able to affect your body’s healing process, as well as avoid dangerous radiation exposure with the aid of your intuition, once exposed I don’t think that your beliefs would make you “immune.”
We cam here with root assumption. Some of those MUST have to do with what will damage the organism that is our physical body and what won’t. Personally, I really didn’t want to change my beliefs around smoking (that it was damaging me), I just wanted to quit. And so I did, also with vaping like yourself Lynda. Totally experience that same peace and good feeling that you describe. Also, I chose to see the smoking as symbolic of an old way of life and negative beliefs and letting it go signified for me a total rebirth. Nice.
And incidentally, re the talk of vaping being dangerous, I don’t believe that. And I don’t vape flavours. And strangely don’t feel as compulsed to do it as I did with fags. And enjoy it. That’s my feelings.
