Is the Universe a Computer Simulation or Hologram? I Say No

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Is the universe a computer simulation, any type of simulation and/or hologram? I say no. Is mind control involved—in which alien beings instill in us the images that we then see? I, again, say no.

As Seth and Seth2 have explained, and I agree, CONSCIOUSNESS is behind the creation of physical reality in the “first” place even tho there is NO “FIRST” PLACE because all of this happens outside of linear time.

All objects and all of physical reality naturally fluctuate, pulsate, flicker or blink in and out of physical reality each instant all the time because THAT is part of the process of reality creation and conjuring up objects for out five senses to see, use and navigate with on the physical plane.

It is true, that like a computer program or hologram, physical reality is a reality of appearances which flicker. This means that things appear to be one way based on our five senses, but they are also something else; AND there ARE more expansive explanations of these things existing within the nonphysical realm—and not with some vast computer on some alien’s galaxy desk.

As an analogy; a table appears solid to the five senses via classic science, but according to quantum science it is not solid at all—and it is not even a table. BOTH ARE TRUE—and there is NO CONTRADICTION—and one is NOT truer than the other.

This is a perfect description of the nature of our physical reality. It is two things at once—physical and non-physical—and there is no contradiction—and one is NOT truer than the other. And no grand computer need apply . It’s just that the right questions concerning consciousness and its quantum connections have just rarely been asked.

Each instant on a personal, individual level consciousness is ALSO the MECHANISM of reality creation—via telepathic agreement.

This means that IN EACH MOMENT–ALL OF US literally create everything around us: the objects and bodies we see, the landscapes, etc–EVERYTHING—all via telepathic agreement.

AND this MECHANISM of conjuring up reality each instant produces a flickering, pulsating or blinking effect as each object blinks in and out of physical reality as we conjure it up so QUICKLY that our almost always five senses don’t notice.

Seth (Session 567): “ The nature of matter itself is not understood. You perceive it at a certain “stage.” Using your terms now and speaking as simply as possible, there are other forms of matter beyond those you see…Atoms and molecules…are only present within your universe during certain stages. Their activity is perceived only during the range of particular vibratory rhythms. When your scientists examine them for example, they do not examine the nature, say, of an atom. They only explore the characteristics of an atom as it acts or shows itself within your system. Its greater reality completely escapes them.

“You understand…spectrums of light. So are there spectrums of matter…In one way, an atom could be compared to a microsecond. It seems as if an atom “exists” steadily for a certain amount of time. Instead it phases in and out, so to speak. It fluctuates in a highly predicable pattern and rhythm. It can be perceived within your system only at certain points in this fluctuation, so it seems to scientists that the atom is steadily present. They are not aware of any gaps of absence as far as the atom is concerned.

“In those periods of nonphysical projection, the off periods of fluctuation, the atoms “appear” in another system of reality. In that system, they are perceived in what are “on” points of fluctuation, and in that system also then the atoms (seems to) appear steadily. There are many such points of fluctuation, but your system of course is not aware of them, nor of the ultimate actions, universes, and systems that exist within them…Now we have been speaking in terms of fantastically swift pulses or fluctuations, so smooth and “brief” that you do not notice them.”

Barrie Continues: This would also hold true with every UFO sighting, encounter, abduction , and so forth. And in this process of conscious reality creation, NO objects are actually ever solid and they are NEVER always there–BUT RATHER they continuously flicker or blink on & off—each instant–as we create them, conjure them up and back down again, to speak, OUT of physical reality—and then back in—over and over for eternity.

And if TRUE, THEN this MEANS that the universe is NOT a computer simulation or a holograph—but a NATURAL FLICKERING LIVING and ONGOING adventure.

So, humans conjure up all the objects in physical reality in this flickering manner that some people you speak to may notice. Objects may always be flicking “in and out” of reality so quickly each instant—that most never notice—for to the five senses the objects appear to always be here.

But some may be able to see this flickering…and it may have nothing at all to do with holographic projections or computer simulations—but with the natural method of reality creation. BUT the APPEARANCE of observing this flickering or pulsating would be identical to what you define and identify as holographic projections and computer simulations. So, the question would be: What is causing the flickering?

The flicker or fluctuation IS a physical occurrence that happens so quickly most people cannot ever see it—and to our five senses to always appears that everything is always solidly here. But sometimes, people can notice the flicker or blinking. This may occur in some altered state or even under some drugs like LSD.

Seth (ESP Class, 1-5-71): “For every moment of time that you seem to exist in this universe, you do not exist in it. The atoms and molecules have a pulsating nature that you do not usually perceive so what seems to you to be a continuous atom or molecule is, indeed, a series of pulsations that you cannot keep track of. Physical matter is not permanent, you only perceive it as continuous, you cannot perceive the series of pulsations that make it up. Your perceptive mechanisms are not equipped to perceive it.

Class Member: “Are these pulses extremely fast in our terms of time?”)

“They are, indeed, you cannot conceivably perceive them. Now, in certain conditions, however, the inner self abandoning its usual reliance upon the physical senses is aware of these periods that would seem to you to be negations.”

“These periods, therefore, of seeming disappearance and this is what you were perceiving at that time. My remark of bad eyes was a pun, therefore, that you did not understand. If you are using your good physical eyes you would not have “seen” a thing.”

Barrie Continues: And, so, even when alien beings appear to witnesses, it also is in cooperation and/or collaboration with these creatures on telepathic and subconscious levels—that do not involve mind control at all. AND these bodies would also fluctuate or flicker as the witnesses create them for their five senses to see and deal with.

And when some people DO see this natural flickering or blinking, their PERSONAL proud-state-of-the-art-high-tech-cutting-edge-cyber-sci-fi-high-strangeness BELIEFS–DICTATE to them that this flickering must be some alien or majestic colossal computer simulation, program, or holographic universe. And THAT explains why they keep seeing Keanu Reeves cartwheeling in the corner of their eyes as they fall asleep.

But it IS the filter of their and our beliefs that dictate to each one of us how we define , explain and/or categorize the reality we see. Thus, to the current-minded technological steeped society of today, these folks come to the conclusion that all this blinking and flickering must be a hologram or computer simulation which also blinks and flickers.

Yet, I contend that this is actually just the natural fluctuation, licker and/or blink of consciousness creating reality . And what seems to be a computer simulation is what the actual process of reality creation looks look like.

The universe is NOT a computer simulation . But rather, it is a CONSCIOUSNESS STIMULATION which is what reality is—and it blinks and flickers in and out physical reality each instant that normally, the five senses never notice. It is not a hologram. It is our HOME .

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I would suggest, Barrie, that every reality (probable, reincarnational, etce) IS a hologram, but it is not created by some computer. It is generated by ALL THAT IS. As you said, consciousness comes first and generates physical reality. But that physical reality is only physical to the residents of that reality. To everyone else it would just be another “TV Channel” that existed only as frequencies that could be tuned into. I suggest your view of the hologram theory is limited if you think it implies some alien somewhere with a desktop computer who has created all that is on his super duper computer. God dreams and we are born and sustained. Everything that exists is a thought in God’s mind (I know this is personifying ALL THAT IS). When you step outside a particular physical seeming reality, it vanishes or just becomes ghost images, again like the TV Channel analogy. Everyone on a particular frequency will assume they are in the “real” physical world while everything else is non-physical. But the secret is that it is ALL non-physical unless you are resonating at a particular frequency and then you will find yourself in a seemingly physical reality. Again, it is like a TV with hundreds of channels that remain theoretical or non-physical until we step into (tune in) 1 of them. With modern TVs, we can even remain on 1 “physical” Channel but pull up a smaller screen in the upper right corner (at least with my TV) that allows you to peek into another channel or 2 while remaining in your home “physical” channel. There is no physical reality unless you are adapted to a particular dimension or reality. Then it comes in loud and clear with space/time constructed for you. OBE researchers claim that when they consciously align themselves with a different reality while out of body, that reality suddenly becomes physical to them. Until then, it remains a sort of 1 dimensional (a vague pun) world. It is our resonance and participation in a reality that makes it seem physical to us. This seems to be the way ALL THAT IS works. It is all waves and frequencies that become particles (physical) only when you as a consciousness can slow down or increase your frequency to function as a tourist or resident in that reality. There is no 1 so-called physical reality (the Earth plane) and everything else is non-physical. EVERYTHING IS NON-PHYSICAL if you were to stand outside time and space and view it on a massive viewing screen. Like a TV, you then could select a particular channel and immerse yourself within it. Suddenly, it seems physical to you. I implore you to read the Thomas Campbell Trilogy (MY BIG TOE = Theory of Everything). The man is a physicist and devoted his life to Out of Body travel and documentation. He clearly states that where ever you are, it will appear physical because every bandwidth (consciousness) creates its own reality. But ultimately, everything is waves or bandwidth. There is no giant green alien creating the universe within a computer. That is merely a metaphor. ALL THAT IS is both the creator and participant via us in each reality. We make it physical.

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I just had a few more thoughts. That scientists are even conjecturing that our reality may be generated from OUTSIDE our reality is a big step in the right direction. They are looking beyond their materialist “this world is the only reality” dogma and experimenting with the idea that perhaps all that we know is being generated elsewhere. Of course, being materialists still, they must posit a physical alien with a computer doing this. They do not want to back into a confirmation of traditional religious dogma that God created everything. But look how close to Seth they are. They are suggesting that someone/something outside time and space created and is sustaining our reality every second. Seth would say this is ALL THAT IS via consciousness units and our own participation. Quantum physics has suggested that we play a role in what we see. I just see this as a positive step in mainstream science’s slow sloooooooow awakening to the fact that this reality is not all that exists and that what we are experiencing may be created and sustained from outside time and space. From my reading of Seth, that fits his viewpoint in a general manner. ALL THAT IS sustains all realities every second from both outside and inside each reality. ALL THAT IS is each reality in terms of the basic consciousness units. At least some scientists are beginning to look beyond their myopic predecessor’s views. Being materialists, they may need to posit a physical entity doing this, since suggesting a God-like force would lose them their credibility in science. But it is a step in the right direction.

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Aren’t each one of us creating their own reality, as Seth stated?

Then, isn’t the science you’re aware of part of your reality, hence your creation?

There was a Nobel Prize winner physicist that as part of his acceptance speech said that he wonderrd if the particle he discovered had been there before he had started to look for it :slight_smile:

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I am sorry but this just seems like word games. This science exists. It is part of this probability. To say that something like this is simply my creation leads nowhere. How can you ever discuss anything if the response is simply that everything to be discussed is simply my creation? This seems like a way to delegitimize any discussion of anything. I won’t play that game.

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We create our own reality and we SHARE it with others—and our thoughts intertwine in creating our SHARED REALITY:

(CAPS and bold added for EMPHASIS only)

Seth (Session 812): “Each person forms his or her own reality, and yet that personal reality must also be SHARED WITH OTHERS, and must be affected by the reality of others.”

Seth (ESP Class, 11-6-73): “When you decide to enter into physical existence, in your mind and in your consciousness, you form the frame within which you will operate. You are not alone in the painting, for
you have not formed a reality in which yours is the…isolate. You are in a reality WITH OTHERS because you have chosen it. So, ALL of you together choose the frame about the painting…You have chosen a particular mass painting, a particular portrait of a century in which you play your part…”

Seth (ESP Class 12-2-78): “You are alone and not alone. Now, that statement is far more important than it sounds. For in your aloneness, and in your togetherness, and between the two, there is the meaning of your humanity. And there is the meaning of your life and your death. You cannot be completely together. You cannot be completely alone. Yet always must your existence flit between the two. Between the desire and the ideal, between the dream and its execution, between your love and your expression of it. There dwells your reality and your meaning, and therein lies the validity of your soul.”

Seth (Jan. 1971 ESP class): "REALIZE YOU DO NOT FORM EVENTS ALONE. You are involved in a co-operative venture. You are not, therefore, alone responsible for an event in that usually others participate in its creation and for their own reasons…You cooperate together to form the physical reality that you know, telepathically, through ways and means that are unknown to you. You weave these webs of psychic reality that then coalesce into physical reality. You do not weave them, necessarily alone. You weave them together. YOUR THOUGHTS INTERTWINE WITH THE THOUGHTS OF OTHERS.

Seth (ESP Class, 11-21-72): You make your world. When you populate your world with ideas of peace, then peace will grow. When you think thoughts of aggression, you ATTRACT aggression, and you draw it out from others in daily contact and on the part of nations. When you do not understand yourselves, you project what you do not understand upon others – upon your friends and associates – and then you become afraid of what you do not understand, not understanding that it is your own fear. And you do the same thing as a nation with other nations. There is no way to insure peace but for every man, every man, to lay down his arms.

Barrie Comments: Notice, he says that when you think thoughts of peace, you ATTRACT aggression—not that you create the aggression you then encounter. You draw it out from others. You do not create it; or create others. You attract them.

Seth (Session 856): : Through your mundane conscious choices, you affect all of the events of your world, so that THE MASS WORLD IS THE RESULT OF MULTITUDINOUS INDIVIDUAL CHOICES. You could not make choices at all if you did not feel impulses to do this or that, so that choices usually involve you in making decisions between various impulses. Impulses are urges toward action. Some are conscious and some are not.

Seth (Session 812): "You must, of course, interpret events in a personal manner. You create them. Yet, there is also a meeting ground of more or less shared physical encounters, a sense plateau that offers firm-enough footing for the agreement of a mass-shared world. With most mental aberrations, you are dealing with people whose private symbols are so heavily thrust over prime sense data that even those data sometime become almost invisible. These individuals often use THE PHYSICAL WORLD in the way that most people use the dream world, so that for them it is difficult to distinguish between a private and a publicly-shared realty.

"Many such people are highly creative and imaginative. Often, however, they have less of a solid foundation than others in dealing with a mass-shared reality, and so they attempt to impose their own private symbols UPON THE WORLD, or to form a completely private world. I am speaking in general terms now, and in those terms such people are leery of human relationships. Each person forms his or her own reality, and yet that personal reality must also be shared with others, and must be affected by the reality of others.

"As creatures dwelling in time and space, your sense provides you with highly specific data, and with a cohesive-enough physical reality. Each person may react to the seasons in a very personalize manner and yet YOU ALL SHARE THOSE NATURAL EVENTS. They provide a framework of experience. It is up to the conscious mind to interpret sense events as clearly and concisely as possible. This allows for the necessary freedom of action for psychological and physical mobility. You are an imaginative species, and so the physical world is colored, charged, by your own imaginative projections, and powered by the great sweep of the emotions. But when you are confused or upset, it is an excellent idea to return your attention to the natural world as it appears at any given moment–to sense its effect upon you AS SEPARATE FROM YOUR OWN PROJECTIONS. You form your own reality. Yet, if you are in the northeast in the wintertime, you had better be experiencing a physical winter, or you are far divorced from primary sense data."

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So, you don’t subscribe to Seth’s fundamental precept that “you create your reality”?

Now I understand why you said that you can’t put aside your beliefs and tap directly your inner source.

When you wrote that you don’t play that game, you started from the belief that whatever you don’t comprehend must be a game …

You seem to proudly say that you “trust science”. Then I’m asking: which science, of today or of yesterday?

If today’s science is different from yesterday’s, then how much can you believe today’s science to be correct? Probably it isn’t, and tomorrow’s science is better … or maybe not, because there is no rule that science evolves monotonically. Is it?

So, everything is beliefs, not games.

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Seth (Session 812): “Each person forms his or her own reality, and yet that personal reality must also be SHARED WITH OTHERS, and must be affected by the reality of others.”

Seth (Jan. 1971 ESP class): "REALIZE YOU DO NOT FORM EVENTS ALONE. You are involved in a co-operative venture. You are not, therefore, alone responsible for an event in that usually others participate in its creation and for their own reasons…You cooperate together to form the physical reality that you know, telepathically, through ways and means that are unknown to you. You weave these webs of psychic reality that then coalesce into physical reality. You do not weave them, necessarily alone. You weave them together. YOUR THOUGHTS INTERTWINE WITH THE THOUGHTS OF OTHERS.

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Again, sorry to have to say that, you don’t understand what Seth says there.

There is no objective reality.

Remember Seth’s example with how each one in the room was seeing the reality, including their cat, and if I remember correctly a bug. So, there is no objective reality, but each one has his own version of reality.

Note: I generally ignore your posts, and we don’t seem to have a line of communication.

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You simply want to fight with people, using Seth quotes out of context with no common sense. The game is YOU trying to bully other people here, and I won’t take the bait.

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You project your feelings on me.

I have no intention to fight, but I have no intention to accept what I believe to be wrong either. You insulted me again, saying I never no common sense, because you have no valid argument to refute what I wrote.

Remember that you just started to post here today, and one of your first posts was angry about a medium claiming something about Jane and Seth.

You get angry at those you disagree with. You have a problem.

Too bad … You have such a cute dog!

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inavalan: A shared-mass reality IS the objective reality. But it seems you not only skip my posts but you skip Seth’s words and concepts. Can you focus enough to follow what Seth IS saying in your beloved snippets; as opposed to what you imagine he says:

Seth (Session 72): "Objects exist…there is an objective universe.

Seth (Session 521): "An objective world exists quite independently of your own creation and perception of it.”

Seth (Jan. 1971 ESP class): "Realize you do not form events alone. You are involved in a co-operative venture… your thoughts intertwine with the thoughts of others.

Seth (Jan. 1971 ESP class): You are not…alone responsible for an event in that usually others participate in its creation and for their own reasons…

Seth (Jan. 1971 ESP class): You cooperate together to form the physical reality that you know.

Seth (Jan. 1971 ESP class): You weave…webs…that…coalesce into physical reality. You do not weave them, necessarily alone. You weave them together.

Seth (Session 812): “Each person forms his or her own reality, and yet that personal reality MUST ALSO BE SHARED WITH OTHERS, and must be affected by the reality of others.”

Barrie Comments: Hold on to your hat, inavalan, here’s a slightly longer quote:

Seth (Jan. 1971 ESP class): "REALIZE YOU DO NOT FORM EVENTS ALONE. You are involved in a co-operative venture. You are not, therefore, alone responsible for an event in that usually others participate in its creation and for their own reasons…You cooperate together to form the physical reality that you know, telepathically, through ways and means that are unknown to you. You weave these webs of psychic reality that then coalesce into physical reality. You do not weave them, necessarily alone. You weave them together. YOUR THOUGHTS INTERTWINE WITH THE THOUGHTS OF OTHERS.

Barrie Comments: Physical reality is both subjective and objective. There is no contradiction. It is in your head and not in your head. There is an objective reality “out there” and there is not. Objects are both physical & independent & not physical & not independent–and there is no contradiction. There is one TV set and there is not. The “appearance” of one TV set IS one TV (even tho there is NO one TV set; but many) on the physical plane because there both is and is not an objective universe.

OK, back to your beloved snippets:

Seth (Session 266): What you perceive with your physical senses is, of course, real. It is one of the forms that reality takes.”

Seth (Session 710): "Engery connected (to an) idea…propel(s) it outward into the world of physical experience as an objective mass-experienced event."

Session 759: "You cannot, however insist that the laws of your vaster existence, as you discover them, supersede the physical conditions of known life…Existence has a physical version. In that framework you are born and die, and in a definite sequence. Death is a physical reality.”

Seth (Session 812): "You create (events that) offer firm-enough footing for the agreeme nt of a mass-shared world.

Seth (Session 812): With most mental aberrations, … …it is difficult to distinguish between a private and a publicly-shared realty.

Seth (Session 812): With most mental aberrations (many) attempt to impose their own private symbols UPON THE WORLD, or to form a completely private world.

Seth (Session 812): Each person may react to the seasons in a very personalize manner and yet YOU ALL SHARE THOSE NATURAL EVENTS

Seth (Session 812): “You form your own reality. Yet, if you are in the northeast in the wintertime, you had better be experiencing a physical winter, or you are far divorced from primary sense data."

Seth (Session 812): “Each person forms his or her own reality, and yet THAT PERSONAL REALITY MUST ALSO BE SHARED WITH OTHERS, and must be affected by the reality of others.”

Seth (Session 856): The mass world is the result of multitudinous individual choices.

Seth (Session 883): "All That Is…put all of those conditions together it saw, of course, in a flash, the mental creation of those objective worlds that would be needed”

Seth (ESP Class, 11-21-72): When you think thoughts of aggression, you ATTRACT aggression, and you draw it out from others in daily contact and on the part of nations.

Barrie Comments: Notice, he says that when you think thoughts of peace, you ATTRACT aggression—not that you create the aggression you then encounter. You draw it out from others. You do not create it; or create others. You attract them.

Seth (ESP Class, 11-6-73): “You are in a reality WITH OTHERS…ALL of you together choose the frame about the… mass painting,of a century in which you play your part…”

Seth (ESP Class 12-2-78): "You are alone and not alone…For in your aloneness, and in your togetherness, and between the two, there is the meaning of your humanity…You cannot be completely together. You cannot be completely alone.

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We will take your cat and his bug. Your cat created the bug that he saw. The bug that he saw was a different construction from the bug that was seen by either of you, and all three constructions were different from the bug’s physical construction of himself. These bug constructions, by various means which we shall discuss, tallied in your camouflage space to an amazingly approximate degree.

However, they were not by any means identical, either in space, time, or physical bulk. Quite literally the cat’s bug was larger and heavier in bulk, existed longer in his—that is the cat’s—time, and also took up more space.

Your bug, Joseph, differed in actual physical construction also from Ruburt’s. It was better detailed and more precisely drawn, smaller in size from either Ruburt’s or the cat’s, existed less in your camouflage time, and took up a measurably less amount of your space.

Your cat is also different, a completely different construction, for each of you. It is easier, perhaps, to understand if we first consider the difference between the bug’s construction of the cat, and the cat’s construction of the bug, before we go on.

In comparison with a human’s construction of your cat, for example, the bug creates a limited one, but one that is nevertheless efficient and valid for his own purposes. To your way of thinking, the bug does not construct a whole cat.

(After resting, Willy was once again active, almost perversely so, it seemed. Giving up chasing bugs, he now was busily tearing a small carton apart in the living room closet; the noise was surprisingly loud and came close to interfering with my hearing Jane clearly.)

The bug’s cat construction is a huge and terrifying animal-mountain sort of construction. However, the construction is endowed with what we may call physical properties of which you are unaware.

This is difficult to explain. A psychic coordination, a sensitive apathy, received by the bug as to the nature of the cat, creates about the bug’s construction of the cat b-a-n-d-s in infrared, solid to both the cat and the bug. The bug then sees a gigantic but blurred, incomplete so to speak, cat image, which is surrounded by infrared solidity, which is significant to the bug in terms quite incomprehensible to you.

—TES2 Session 64 June 24, 1964

Also:

Actually it can be said that since the self creates its environment, then the environment is an extension of the self. The division between the subject who creates the environment, and the object-(hyphen) environment, which is created, is an artificial but necessary development.

[… 1 paragraph …]

Earlier he could not afford to. Now, however, he must learn to use and understand these abilities. No plane remains the same; nothing remains the same. Even the requirements and necessities and properties of a universe change. The ideas change first. The conception behind constructions change. The perspectives change. What is perceived changes, as what is created changes.

[… 1 paragraph …]

Ideas originate always from individuals on any plane, and under any circumstance. The ideas once originated, however, are given energy reality by the individual and therefore attain a vitality of their own. The ideas are picked up by the subconscious through a telepathic communication. They do not however have to be picked up directly from one mind, that is, there does not have to be direct communication.

[… …]

The prime factor of course is the individual’s ability to avail himself of energy, and then to utilize it effectively. Coordination and communication between the inner and outer ego is also a strong factor here. You must also keep in mind that the individual creates his own environment through his successive incarnations.

[… 6 paragraphs …]

I mentioned at one time the unfortunate occurrence of your dog’s illness. The dog, of course, created and maintained his own physical construction, but you saw only your own construction of him.

[… 8 paragraphs …]

These constructions exist definitely in terms of atomic structure, but of such different densities and speeds that you are unaware of them though they are perceived by the inner senses, and utilized by the subconscious and inner self as a very important reality.

[… 3 paragraphs …]

These are not vague, formless half-realities. Their existence is as real as your own, but simply on a different level. For various reasons all of your ideas are obviously not constructed onto the physical plane. Many of these reasons are psychological. Some of these reasons have to do with matters which we have not yet discussed.

[… 1 paragraph …]

This merely means that the characteristics of their reality differs from the reality of physical construction. There is always an inner comprehension of such constructions, but the conscious mind has its purpose of dealing with the world of physical construction, is itself a physical construction, and unaware of other realities.

[… 6 paragraphs …]

There is a constant interchange between the realities, such as your world of physical construction and the worlds of construction which you do not consciously perceive.

As cooperation exists to aid in the maintenance of your physical universe, so cooperation exists between the unseen universes and your own universe; and each universe continually aids the other in the maintenance of reality.

[… 6 paragraphs …]

If ten people seemingly observe this glass, you have ten personal perspectives that actually exist, ten space continuums, and ten actual glasses. Each individual is completely unaware of the other perspectives. It is as if they did not exist. Mathematically this can be worked out. The space continuums are created by each individual, in which he forms his own physical constructions.

Now understanding this, you should be able to see how other planes, other reality continuums, can exist simultaneously with your own, and be unperceived consciously. This point of over lapse, or overlap, this point of overlap is extremely important, for there are points of overlapping in all universes; and this will also be a be a basic factor in travel, although not in any future in the physical universe in which you will be involved.

[… 1 paragraph …]

I am truly amazed that Ruburt allowed me to come through on this last material so well, because of his mood this evening. I would also like to mention that our communication itself involves my use of such an overlapping point.

[… 12 paragraphs …]"

—TES2 Session 66 June 29, 1964

I have said that if five people seemed to view this glass, then what you would have in actuality would be five individual physical glasses. As you and Ruburt and Mark view this glass, each of you see a different glass.

[… 1 paragraph …]

Neither of you can see the glass that the others see. We spoke of this briefly. I would like to go into more detail. The three of you each create your own glass. You each create your own glass in your own personal perspective. Therefore, here you have three different glasses, but each one exists in a different perspective, in an entirely different space continuum.

[… 2 paragraphs …]

However there is a point, an infinitesimal point, where Mark’s perspective, and yours, and Ruburt’s, overlap. Again, theoretically, if you could perceive that point, you could actually each see the other two physical glasses.

Physical objects simply cannot exist unless they exist in a definite perspective and space continuum. But each individual creates his own space continuum.

[… 2 paragraphs …]

He creates an entirely different object, which his own outer senses then perceive. Since we have here this evening such an elegant and welcome guest, let us then perceive him in terms of a slight discussion of matter, in which he shall be our guinea pig.

[… 3 paragraphs …]

You and Ruburt perceive Mark, and yet neither of you sees Mark’s Mark. As he sits in his chair, constantly he creates his own image physically, using his own psychic energy, and using particular atoms and molecules for the construction of his body.

[… …]

While Mark creates his own image, you seem to see his image, but you do not see it. At this particular time there are three entirely different Marks in this room, although I use the term “this room” very loosely.

[… 1 paragraph …]

There is the Mark which Mark has created, an actual physical construction. There is another Mark does not see, and this Mark is an actual physical construction created by you. There are at this time still two more physical Marks, one created by Ruburt, and one created by your cat.

[… 1 paragraph …]

In this room, so to speak, there are four physical Ruburts, there are four physical Josephs, and there are four physical cats. There are indeed four rooms.

[… 10 paragraphs …]

There is a smugness about the lips—very good—that I am indeed rather pleased with. You will find that this construction is being created by myself. Just to appear on your plane, any construction, whether perceived by you or not, must be composed of atoms and molecules.

The motion and the speed varies from regular constructions. I am in this particular instance speaking through Ruburt while I have also stood by in a construction and watched him speak. At a later date I may be able, briefly, to speak from my own construction. But this will take training and I will need the use of much cooperation.

[… …]

There is no good reason why you could not see me also, Joseph, nor is there any reason why Ruburt could not see me. You are both quite fussy about what you will see and what you will not see. This we will go into later in some detail.

[… 9 paragraphs …]

Suggestion is no more and no less than an inner willingness and consent, to allow a particular action to occur; and this consent is the trigger which sets off the subconscious mechanisms that allow you to construct inner data into physical reality.

[… …]

—TES2 Session 68 July 6, 1964

"I mentioned that the change in Ruburt’s features was authentic, and also that what you prefer to call an apparition did indeed exist.

[… 2 paragraphs …]

The apparition, therefore, was constructed by Mark. You did not see it, Ruburt did not see it, because an individual only sees his own constructions; and in this case the idea data was only given to Mark.

(“Did our cat see it?”

[… 2 paragraphs …]

For reasons that we will mention later, the cat did sense the apparition. Now, I have told you that there are many factors involved in the construction of matter, and I have explained that telepathy and many other factors which I have listed are important.

[… 3 paragraphs …]

This is what I am leading to. Outer constructions are always translations of actions from inner reality into material. Their validity is dependent upon the individual’s ability to receive inner data, to translate inner data, to manipulate energy, and to construct it onto the material field.

[… …]

However, instead of our glasses, please consider a very simple situation: the two of you in this room. Now. Ruburt constructs his own physical image, which is, I hope, obviously conscious. You construct your physical image of Ruburt. Now the question is: What about your construction of Ruburt, which is valid as a material construction. Is it conscious—

[… 2 paragraphs …]

—and to what degree? If five people were in this room, then they would each construct, in their own personal perspective, their own image of Ruburt, which would be composed of definite, material, atoms and molecules. You would have five actual physical constructions, plus Ruburt’s own. Do all five constructions, plus Ruburt’s own, contain Ruburt’s consciousness?

I am now bringing you to the point of primary and secondary
constructions.

—TES2 Session 69 July 8, 1964

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inavalan–I suggest you try to reconcile what you read–and not just see one view. In ways you don’t yet understand there IS an objective reality and universe and there is NOT a subjective reality and uniiverse. BOTH are true. I suggest you actually read the excepts I shared with you. They make this very clear.

Seth (Session 72): “Objects exist, and yet objects in another sense do not exist…The world, or field, that you presently inhabit is real, definite on your level. The fact that its reality is only LIMITED to your level, and does not extend to other fields, must not tempt you to discount it."

There ARE five TVs in the room and there is ONE TV in the room…it is BOTH. This is the PROCESS of reality creation–not a LIMIT to it:

Here is the further context of the one object in a room. Why don’t you actually read it:

Seth (Session 72; July 20, 1964): “…Objects exist, and yet objects in another sense do not exist. I have told you, for example, how you and others construct say, a television set, a chair, an image or a table. Using energy, you manipulate existing atoms and molecules into a certain pattern which you then, and others like you, recognize as one particular object.”

"The object then does, in this sense, exist. The fact is, however, that it exists as a particular object because of your intimate construction of it into a particular pattern, and because of the recognition you give it."

(Now Jane walked back and forth in the couple of feet of spce between our long narrow coffee table and the divan, gesturing as she talked.)

“The space between this couch and table is as filled up with molecular structure as either the space taken up by the couch or the space taken up by the table. The matter contained within the space taken up by the distance between them, is all the same. You simply have not constructed of the atoms and molecules any pattern which you call an object, and which you recognize.”

“Objects then are really arbitrary designations given to certain arbitrary divisions of atoms and molecules as a whole. There is no objective universe, and yet there is an objective universe.”

“This is not hedging the matter, if you will excuse a pun, and the subject will take much further study on your parts. You must act as if there were an objective universe**. The world, or field, that you presently inhabit is real, definite on your level. The fact that its reality is only LIMITED to your level, and does not extend to other fields, must not tempt you to discount it;** and yet while you MUST behave in a large manner AS IF your universe were inherently and basically objective, you must still retain the knowledge that this apparent objectivity has great limits, even practically speaking; and a too-great dependence in a world of objectivity can lead to a psychic imprisonment which is unnecessary.”

Barrie Comments: When people let their subjective reality supersede the mass-shared objective reality–he says they have a “mental aberration.” They let their private symbols override the mass-agreed-upon symbols. The CANNOT see the primary sense data.