A thread exploring the nature and purposes of what is colloqually called ‘dreaming’…the space and regions of the dream plane, and the potentials of the art and science of this focus of conscousness for conscious creation and immersion in FW1. The approach I hoped for is one mre specialised and ‘scientific’ than relating dreams or the interpretation thereof. Things which might be of interest
- Setting up and etablising a dream practise
- creating locations in the dream plane
- regions of the dream plane
- techniques and tips
-implications of continuous lucidity for the outter and inner ego
-what the inner ego is getting up to when we are awake
- A list of exercises and techniques within the seth material
-Dreams and the nature of the psyche
- Dreams and the unknown realities
and though this might sound obvious
- Are we dreaming now, is our language adequate to discribe the sensation of it, our memories of what we get up to certainly could do with some upgrades.
You have a dream memory, of course, though you are not aware of it as a rule. There is a craft involved in the formation of events. You perform this craft well when dreaming. Event-making begins before your birth, and the dreams of unborn children and their mothers often merge. The dreams of those about to die often involve dream structures that already prepare them for future existence. In fact, towards death a great dream acceleration is involved as new probabilities are considered - a dream acceleration that provides psychic impetus for new birth.
Some of this is most difficult to explain, yet it is true to say that no event has a beginning or ending.
This is true of a life. It is true of a dream. The information is not practical in your terms, because it denies your direct experience. Upon request, however, and with some practice, you can suggest in the middle of a dream that it expand to its larger proportions. You would then experience one dream wrapped in another, or several occurring at one time - all involving aspects of a particular theme or probability, with each connected to the others, although to you the connections might not be apparent.
Each event of your life is contained within each other event. In the same way, each lifetime is contained in each other lifetime. The feeling of reality is “truer” then in the dream state. You can become consciously aware of your dreams to some extent - that is, consciously aware of your own dreaming. You can also allow your “dream self” greater expression in the waking state. This can be done through techniques that are largely connected with creativity.
Session 786, Page 139
A thought- I wonder if there is an easier way to all of this. Imagine this. What if I could bring the inner self, the dreaming Self into physical reality. How about it come do some work in physical reality?
Likewise, why do i have to be ‘asleep’- what is the big deal with sleep anyway- to be in the dream plane? Seriously? And if i am going to sleep as much as I do, then i want to remember more of what I am up to, enough of these meagerly fragment of distorted memores called ‘dreams’. They are nothing more than scraps. Taking lucidity into the dream plane would be a piece of cake if I went in lucid- i.e if I were not asleep period. deep trance states, deeper day dreaming? Not sure I have explored those potentials enough.If there was a way to modulate the brain patterns during a practise session of I did not drop into delta prematurely but stabalized around a deep theta…Now I am thinking about it- there is either a way to do it or I’ll create one.
…Where have we been? What savage chaos of music
Whirls in our dreams?—We suddenly rise in darkness,
Open our eyes, cry out, and sleep once more.
We dream we are numberless sea-waves languidly foaming
A warm white moonlit shore;
Or clouds blown windily over a sky at midnight,
Or chords of music scattered in hurrying darkness,
Or a singing sound of rain .
We open our eyes and stare at the coiling darkness,
And enter our dreams again…
I got 3 compass apps off itunes today, its time to take the north- south thing seriously…its a stange angle for the bed.I read this today and there a number of beautiful free compass app for ipad, ipod and iphone-
I suggest a more thorough examination of your dreams here, for many of them contain such spontaneous projections. They are most apt to occur in the early hours, between 3 ands 5 A.M. The body temperature drops at such times. Five in the afternoon is also beneficial from this standpoint. The drinking of pure water also facilitates projection, although for obvious reasons the bladder must be empty. The north-south position is extremely important in this context, and indeed a necessity for any efficient dream records. The reasoning part of the brain can work most efficiently along with the intuitive portions of the self when the physical organism is in that position.
The Early Sessions, Book 6
- now were talking creating like a boss-
In a manner of speaking, your universe and all others spring from a dimension that is the creative source for all realities - a basic dream universe so to speak, a Divine psychological bed where subjective being is sparked, illuminated, stimulated, pierced by its own infinite desire for creativity.
The source of its power is so great that its imaginings become worlds, but it is endowed with a creativity of such splendor that it seeks the finest fulfillment, for even the smallest of its thoughts
and all of its potentials are directed with a good intent that is literally beyond all imagining.
That good intent is apparent within your world. It is obvious in the cooperative ventures that unite say, the mineral, plant, and animal kingdoms, the relationship of bee to flower.
And your beliefs to the contrary, you have closed your minds to humans cooperative nature, to their innate desire for fellowship, thier natural bent for taking care of others, and for altruistic behavior.
Now that is some great information, thank you for sharing.
I never knew about this north-south-position stuff. Since the building I’m living in is oriented at a 45° angle in respect to the cardinal directions I guess I’ll need to rotate my bed halfway. Funny thing is, I usually sleep north-east to south-west-oriented, but from time to time I felt like rotating my bed about 90°. I always switched back though.
And from time to time I find myself lying in a fairly skew angle in my bed, usually one that tries to align my body more closer to the north-south-direction which I only realize now.
Another interesting point is that almost exactly north from here there is a quite strong coordination point or something like that. I basically perceive it as a giant pillar of golden light, a few meters in diameter, that is next to a small chapel built by a russian hermit who died at the age of 110 ten years ago. So when looking north it feels like I’m also aligning and connecting with the energy flow there.
I am certainly having better recall of my dream plane activities, even though I am not totally North south aligned. Its to do with proximity to the radiator and dream or no, I like being snug and warm.
My best tool at the moment is my trusty Ipad. I am downloading lucid dreaming type videos from youtube and I set them to play, its another way of getting myself to bed at a reasonable hour. The other thing I have discovered is the search function on ibooks ( no doubt kindle has that too) Given that I have a number or seth/jane books as PDFs I simply type in dreams and all the entries line up. How did anybody ever learn anything before technology?
Language- physical reality is a dream- what does that means or is it another meaningless truism…Here’s a thinker I will return to
We have not said nearly enough about the dream universe, to really launch a discussion concerning its by-product. Nevertheless I shall tell you that its by-product is the world of negative matter. TES 109.
So actually before getting to excitable about the dream universe… what about the physical universe as a dream. I attended a few events by Robert Moss who encourages that perspective. Conscious dreaming & awake dreaming and its fascinating at the end of a cycle to look at the so call real events of the day as if they were dream symbols.
It goes without saying that the dream universe is every bit as real to the inner self as the physical universe is to the conscious egotistical self. The physical universe is relatively as unimportant to the inner self as the dream universe appears to be to the egotistical self… TES s173.
Also this sounds like great multitasking, though I am not sure sleep is necessary to get the inner self working on stuff. I mean why not give it those instructions while waiting in the queue at safeways?
The dream experience itself, and I cannot stress this too strongly, is as real as any experience to the basic self. It follows that instructions may be given to the self, so that various problems can be solved within the dream situation. The solution may or may not be given to the consciousness. In many instances this would not be necessary. The inner ego of which we have spoken is the director of such unifying activities, and while the inner ego is mainly concerned with inner reality, it is also aware of physical existence.
I should certinly hope it is aware of physical existence!
What is Dream Art Science
SETH SUMARI DARK ARTS-32: The Dark Arts = Dream Art Science, Mental Physics, Complete Physician
Since 1989 i always put my bed at home and in my caravan north south. I taught myself to sleep short and light.i even do drink coffee between my 2 short sleeps. An american friend gave me a dreambook when i visit her in 2001 in Florida,so i can write my dreams. I know seth taught me recalling my dreams can improove my life. I am not a DAS. But i am very happy.
Hi Aad, So glad to have you with us. We enjoy stimulating, probing Seth thought here. You might like to know that in addition to Seth Talks, Chris also hosts his Facebook site, Fans of the Seth Material (Jane Roberts) which I might say is very active, and yes, “Abrahamsters” are most welcome…later, ron…(Ronald H. Card on Facebook and FANS).
Noel Bell speaks to Robert Waggoner author of Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the Inner Self. The interview took place at the Gateways to the Mind conference on lucid dreams which took place in London in November 2012. The event was held in the grand location of the Royal Geographical Society in Kensington.
I started by asking Robert how he came to write his hugely influential book. Robert Waggoner was a speaker at the event and demonstrated how we can all benefit from the non-physical realities. Robert taught himself a simple technique to become consciously aware in the dream state. This took place over 30 years ago. Since then, lucid dreaming, or the ability to become consciously aware while dreaming, has been proven by the pioneering research of Dr Keith Hearne, University of Hull, and Dr. Stephen LaBerge, author of Exploring the World of Lucid Dreams at Stanford University.
Many see lucid dreaming as an important psychological and therapeutic tool. In the interview Robert tells us how he became involved in lucid dreaming, what motivated him to write the book and how lucid dreaming can be potentially used as a treatment tool for clients with anxiety or even post traumatic stress disorder.
The Nature of A Seth Book Chapter 20 Dreams by Jane Roberts read by Martin John aka RvMj
Thank you for the welcome. I was a member of the FB group but i did not like it, so i left. I am still a member of a group which i cannot find anymore on the net. I wanted to leave there too. It was started after paul helfrich did close his wordview.anyone remember the name ?
First you must realize that you are dreaming. . . This knowledge automatically changes the dream state into another in which the critical faculties are aroused and operating. . . You may “awaken” in your house for example. If so, check your rooms against their normal arrangement. Anything that does not normally belong there may be an hallucination, part of the usual dreaming process. If you will such images to disappear, they will, leaving you with the basic unhallucinated environment.”