Stealing Seth Material and making courses from it!

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You misunderstand physical time.

From Seth’s perspective, physical past, present, and future can be accessed in any order.

Jane’s words aren’t Seth’s words. She converts the information, and unconsciously distorts it more or less.

Seth’s occupation is “teacher”. He teaches many, all the time, as he see fit for the specific of that individual. He may chose or not to refer himself as Jane Roberts’ Seth.

It is also possible that an honest person to believe that they channel Seth, and in fact to channel another entity. Sure, there are must be some frauds too.

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That is a distortion. Seth wouldn’t have said that. Too much lack of modesty.

Seth doesn’t care, because each one of us creates their own reality. What you hear or read is your subjective reality, your interpretation of the telepathic communication at your subconscious level.

You don’t understand what “create your reality” means.

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inavalan: But Seth DID say that. Can’t you see the quote and citation:

Seth (Session 47): “This material WITH ALL MY BEST EFFORTS, and with yours (Rob & Jane), of necessity must contain distortions merely in order to make itself exist at all on your plane…ANY material, to exist on your plane…MUST be somewhat distorted. I must use phrases with which your minds are somewhat familiar…If I did not take advantage of your own camouflage system, then YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE MATERIAL…Inner data…MUST make its entry through some distortion… THIS MATERIAL IS MORE VALID THAN ANY MATERIAL POSSIBLE ON YOUR PLANE.”

inavalan Writes: That is a distortion. Seth wouldn’t have said that. Too much lack of modesty.

Barrie Responds: Are you serious? You declare a distortion because you beiieve wouldn’t care this? He said he did but we are to believe you that he didn’t really say it or mean it?

inavalan Continues: Seth doesn’t care, because each one of us creates their own reality. What you hear or read is your subjective reality, your interpretation of the telepathic communication at your subconscious level.

Barrie Responds: How can you know that Seth doesn’t care? He said he cares. IF you dismiss anything Seth says because you don’t believe he said it or meant it–then there is really no room for discussion except–are you kidding?

inavalan Comtomies" You don’t understand what “create your reality” means.

Barrie Responds: Well, maybe Seth does. There IS a shared reality we are in agreement about or you have what Seth calls a mental aberration. If I say I am eating pizza and you say I am climbing a tree or eating my dog–you are just wrong and letting your personal symbols override the shared symbols and reality.You would have a a mental aberration. Reality creation is not simply, “IF I believe you are eating your dog and not pizza–then you are eating your dog–and we just disagree.”

Seth (Session 812): “You must, of course, interpret events in a personal manner. You create them. Yet, there is also a meeting ground of more or less shared physical encounters, a sense plateau that offers firm-enough footing for the agreement of a mass-shared world. With most MENTAL ABERRATIONS, you are dealing with people whose private symbols are so heavily thrust over prime sense data that even those data sometime become almost invisible. These individuals often use the physical world IN THE WAY THAT (underlined) most people use the dream world, so that for them it is difficult to distinguish between a private and a publicly-shared realty.

“Many such people are highly creative and imaginative. Often, however, they have less of a solid foundation than others in dealing with a mass-shared reality, and so they attempt to impose their own private symbols upon the world, or to form a completely private world. I am speaking in general terms now, and in those terms such people are leery of human relationships. Each person forms his or her own reality, and yet that personal reality must also be shared with others, and must be affected by the reality of others.

“As creatures dwelling in time and space, your sense provide you with highly specific data, and with a cohesive-enough physical reality. Each person may react to the seasons in a very personalize manner and yet you all share those natural events. They provide a framework of experience. It is up to the conscious mind to interpret sense events as clearly and concisely as possible. This allows for the necessary freedom of action for psychological and physical mobility. You are an imaginative species, and so the physical world is colored, charged, by your own imaginative projections, and powered by the great sweep of the emotions. But when you are confused or upset, it is an excellent idea to return your attention to the natural world as it appears at any given moment–to sense its effect upon you AS SEPARATE FROM YOUR OWN PROJECTIONS. You form your own reality. Yes, it you are in the Northeast in the wintertime, you had better be experiencing a physical winter, or you are far divorced from primary sense data.”

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That’s what Jane said.

It seems that the system counts the number of replies, not thier length, and warned me to give others space to post too:

### Let others join the conversation

This topic is clearly important to you – you’ve posted more than 20% of the replies here.

It could be even better if you gave other people space to share their points of view, too. Can you invite them over?

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inavalan, IF I say, “I am going to eat pizza for lunch today.” THAT is what I said. The other person created a reality in which I said that and in which they chose to disregard it. Reality creation is not about just making things up–and disregarding the obvious.

Seth calls doing this having a mental aberration:

Seth (Session 812): “You must, of course, interpret events in a personal manner. You create them. Yet, there is also a meeting ground of more or less shared physical encounters, a sense plateau that offers firm-enough footing for the agreement of a mass-shared world. With most MENTAL ABERRATIONS, you are dealing with people whose private symbols are so heavily thrust over prime sense data that even those data sometime become almost invisible. These individuals often use the physical world IN THE WAY THAT (underlined) most people use the dream world, so that for them it is difficult to distinguish between a private and a publicly-shared realty.

“Many such people are highly creative and imaginative. Often, however, they have less of a solid foundation than others in dealing with a mass-shared reality, and so they attempt to impose their own private symbols upon the world, or to form a completely private world. I am speaking in general terms now, and in those terms such people are leery of human relationships. Each person forms his or her own reality, and yet that personal reality must also be shared with others, and must be affected by the reality of others.

“As creatures dwelling in time and space, your sense provide you with highly specific data, and with a cohesive-enough physical reality. Each person may react to the seasons in a very personalize manner and yet you all share those natural events. They provide a framework of experience. It is up to the conscious mind to interpret sense events as clearly and concisely as possible. This allows for the necessary freedom of action for psychological and physical mobility. You are an imaginative species, and so the physical world is colored, charged, by your own imaginative projections, and powered by the great sweep of the emotions. But when you are confused or upset, it is an excellent idea to return your attention to the natural world as it appears at any given moment–to sense its effect upon you AS SEPARATE FROM YOUR OWN PROJECTIONS. You form your own reality. Yes, it you are in the Northeast in the wintertime, you had better be experiencing a physical winter, or you are far divorced from primary sense data.”

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Barrie Responds: The warning you received is valid in that they give it–but it is ridiculous because you can post a million times and it doesn’t take away space or anything…and it has nothing to do with how much I respond. Your notice has to do with you.

And ANYONE can join this discussion. They don’t need my permission. I respond to all who respond. If I “gave other people the space?” Sorry, but they have all the space already. I am not taking up their space. I WELCOME all who wish to join the discussion.

I wrote the board owner about this and he suggested: “You can reply to multiple people within a single post, is why is says that. Highlight the section of their text, and when ‘Quote’ pops up, click it.”

See if this works. I have been equally notified at different times.

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[quote=“inavalan, post:82, topic:1066, full:true”]

inavalan Writes: You misunderstand physical time.From Seth’s perspective, physical past, present, and future can be accessed in any order.

Barrie Responds: Do you really think I don’t understand that? You state the obvious.And what does this have to do with Seth’s stated desire to maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material?

inavalan Continues: Jane’s words aren’t Seth’s words. She converts the information, and unconsciously distorts it more or less.

Barrie Responds: So, you are saying that JANE is getting the information wrong because she is converting and subconsciously distorting it AND Seth is not correcting her? And actually YOU know what Seth meant and was actually trying to say? So, your beliefs about what Seth would say, supercedes what Seth actually said?1

By the way, Seth DOES understand simultaneous time—yet he found a way to show up for each class at 7 PM on a Tuesday—and for each of their private book sessions?

inavalan Continues: Seth’s occupation is “teacher”. He teaches many, all the time, as he see fit for the specific of that individual. He may chose or not to refer himself as Jane Roberts’ Seth.

Barrie Responds: You don’t know anything about Seth’s “occupation” as if he was a human teacher or truck driver. Of course he can choose what he wants—BUT he SAID what he wants. He never said anything that you are now making up.

inavalan Continues:It is also possible that an honest person to believe that they channel Seth, and in fact to channel another entity. Sure, there are must be some frauds too.

Barrie Responds: Of course.

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Jane’s Seth wore a GUISE and spoke through a PERSONA, his words. WE ARE SETH is Jane’s Seth’s family entity which is comprised of many, many no-name teachers who may or may not use the entity name of Seth, you see. Jane’s Seth has brother and sister and aunt and uncle and cousin counterpart aspects, all equally proficient at teaching the ENDLESS material, as Jane’s Seth stated…the material is endless. They, too, wear guises and work through personas in order to relate to their audience. Jane’s Seth today is not the same Seth as when he spoke through Jane, you understand. Seth stated that if Jane did not work out that he woluld hand the material off to another earth psychic, however, Jane did work out. Seth also stated that he wanted and expected Jane to channel for him for FORTY years, as he stated in the material, however, Jane jave only 21 of those 40 years of material that Seth already had lined up, so, then, Seth is teaching portions of those 19 years of material that Jane did not handle due to to the spontaneous circumstances that appeared and that altered her life after she was born. Other probable Jane Roberts, and Seth discusses other Jane Roberts in the material, did live into their 80s, as Seth also mentions in the material, and those Jane’s dictated the 19 years of material and that material is available in Seth University, Dream Campus, for the mental asking. Those Jane’s dictated Seth’s Christ book, for example. Again, I have many un-published Seth sessions that did NOT fall into Rick Stack’s hands. – Visit ron at SETH FORCE on Facebook for continued enlightening Seth family material.

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Barrie Responds: So, you probably read the 21 quotes. Maybe maybe not. You actually have no idea what Seth, Jane or Rob said in them…and you don’t care and not interested. Well, then you actually are basing your comments on nothing but your belief that Seth wouldn’t stop communicating with everyone and that if Seth said that he would only communicate via Jane–THEN Jane was just distorting it because Seth wojld never say that…according to you…

I guess, just continue to believe as you wish or as you can.

As for me, Seth really meant that SOMETIMES we create our own reality and that time is SOMETIMES simultaneous–Jane just got it wrong–she just distorted what Seth wanted to say.

Of course, I do NOT believe those things, but using your reasoning–maybe you can see how it renders any discussion of Seth and what he actually DID say–moot and meaningless.

It makes the discussion irrelevant and unimportant; not the material itself.

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In my opinion, reading the Seth material, and discussing it makes sense only if you understand it to be a means to an end.

It is useful only if you use it to further your knowledge about reality directly acquired from your inner guidance.

You don’t interpret what Seth meant, but the symbolism attached to it by your own inner guide, for your own and only benefit.

It is the same way as the teachings of Jesus, Buddha, and others should be approached: you don’t try to understand what they said, but you interpret the symbolism to extract the teaching meant to you, at that point of your quest for value fulfillment.

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Barrie to inavalan:

Barrie Had Written: “It makes the discussion irrelevant and unimportant; not the material itself.”

Barrie Responds: Well, why not put the excerpt of mine in context of itself?

You had written that you don’t believe Seth said certain things and that Jane just made subconscious distortions in these areas. For example, according to you, Seth would never say he was concerned about distortions or that he would only communicate via Jane. You just believe he would never say those things. Therefore, according to you, he did NOT say those things and therefore the excerpts of Seth saying those things are “irrelevant and unimportant.”

I responded–using your reasoning—that a Seth reader can say that Seth really meant that SOMETIMES we create our own reality and that time is SOMETIMES simultaneous–but Jane just got it wrong–she just distorted what Seth really would say and wanted to say.

THEN I said, “Using your reasoning–maybe you can see how it renders any discussion of Seth and what he actually DID say–moot and meaningless.

THEN, alluding to your comment that whatever Seth said about only communicating via Jane was “irrelevant and unimportant, I wrote…”It makes the discussion irrelevant and unimportant; not the material itself.”

Barrie NOW Comments: So, THAT is the context of the small snippet you pasted as my comment.

And now, I shall respond to your COMPLETE comments:

inavalan Writes: In my opinion, reading the Seth material, and discussing it makes sense only if you understand it to be a means to an end.

Barrie Responds: Well, what about if someone believes he can change anything Seth said because he either disagrees with it or believes that Seth would never say it? Isn’t that quite important in having a discussion about the Seth material?

And my point is and was, HOW can you have a discussion about Seth—if you stipulate that you can cancel out or alter anything Seth actually said simply because you don’t believe he would say it; and that Jane just distorted it?

I’m saying that THEN, any Seth discussion becomes irrelevant and unimportant, using your own words.

That said, in discussing a Seth concept what does it matter what the person believes its use is? You are talking about how the person USES the concept; not what the concept is. So, you can discuss WHAT the concept is…agree or disagree on that. And THEN, a whole new issue or discussion is HOW to use that concept—is it a means to an end…or what?

YOU are saying that IF you don’t agree with how a person USES the concept, then it is senseless to even discuss what the concept actually is. And I disagree with that.

inavalan Continues: It is useful only if you use it to further your knowledge about reality directly acquired from your inner guidance.

Barrie Responds: I believe it certainly is very useful if you use it to “further your knowledge about reality directly acquired from your inner guidance.” But I also believe that it is ALSO very useful to read the Seth material, regardless of that. Additionally, reading the Seth material can eventually OPEN UP the inner guidance of the reader that he or she had not been aware of.

I also believe that regardless of the person’s conscious thinking, the material DOES reach that part of the reader that has the inner guidance—and has a deeper affect on the reader.

inavalan Continues: You don’t interpret what Seth meant, but the symbolism attached to it by your own inner guide, for your own and only benefit.

Barrie Responds: Are you referring to me…that I, Barrie, “don’t interpret what Seth meant, but the symbolism attached to it by your own inner guide, for your own and only benefit.”

I’m sorry, but this is silly and/or laughable—for it is so mistaken.

IF your awareness of Seth is anything close to your displayed awareness of me…then you really know next to nothing about both. Sorry.

But let me just say here, you actually have no idea or awareness about me. I would say close to zero.

Just to clarify and be factual here for a moment: I’ve spent 49 years studying Seth, including a year in Seth class in Elmira, had an ongoing 10-year online Seth chat, written a 500-age Q&A book on the Seth material, and have posted more than 10,000 posts about the material, have given many online Seth presentations and interviews about Seth, was declared “our poet” by Seth in class…

This doesn’t mean I am always right about everything…but it does mean that I have displayed an ongoing awareness of Seth’s concepts, what he said.

So, based on this thread about Seth saying he would only communicate via Jane in order to maintain the authenticity and integrity of the material—you believe that you have figured me out, You are free to create a Barrie in your head who is not me…if that is what you enjoy doing.

That said, I’m sure you have read little to nothing about what I’ve written or have spoken—just as you say you don’t even remember if you read the 21 quotes are not.

I even asked you to interpret the quotes in any manner you wish—and instead you came up the idea that you don’t care what Seth said on this topic because you believe he would never say these things and that Jane inadvertently distorted the whole thing—based on you not believing he would say such a thing.

THAT is very convenient. You never have to think about or examine what you say.

So…it seems to me that you project your characteristic onto me and that it is actually you who doesn’t “interpret what Seth meant, but (use) the symbolism attached to it by your own inner guide, for your own and only benefit.”

I don’t mean this to be insulting…but just as an observation…you really seem to speak on subjects of which you know little…and then have set up a system to negate anything with which you disagree. Anything you don’t like you declare that the person doesn’t mean it or never said it.

inavalan Continues: It is the same way as the teachings of Jesus, Buddha, and others should be approached: you don’t try to understand what they said, but you interpret the symbolism to extract the teaching meant to you, at that point of your quest for value fulfillment.

Barrie Responds: Again, if you are talking about me you are again so off, that you have fallen off the continent itself.

If you are implying that I see Seth’s words as dogma, or a religion, or doctrine or anything like that…you are fully mistaken. Seeing Seth speak thru Jane easily dissuades one from ever believing those things…and I certainly never did. In fact, I left class after a year in order to continue to find my own answers within me—something I had been doing long before I ever went to my first Seth class. And something obviously you know nothing about.

In short, you display no knowledge of me or my background…yet make declarations about me.

And the same SEEMS to be true regarding Seth and his comments…you display little knowledge and or awareness.

But I am still willing to discuss any of these issues…unless you just enjoy bathing in what you do not understand.

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Barrie, … good bye!

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Ron Writes: Jane’s Seth wore a GUISE and spoke through a PERSONA, his words. WE ARE SETH is Jane’s Seth’s family entity which is comprised of many, many no-name teachers who may or may not use the entity name of Seth, you see. Jane’s Seth has brother and sister and aunt and uncle and cousin counterpart aspects, all equally proficient at teaching the ENDLESS material, as Jane’s Seth stated…the material is endless.

Barrie Responds: Well, Seth’s rebellious cousin, Jimmy, told me that you are mistaken about all this. They said that you make basically have no idea what you are talking about.

As for dream contact, Seth told a class member:

Seth (ESP Class, 3-12-74): Class Member: “Seth, would you help me in my DREAMS if I tried to contact you?”

Seth Responds: “You help yourself in your own dreams. You do not need me. You may use the SYMBOL of me, but when you do, it is a SYMBOL OF YOUR OWN INNER KNOWLEDGE, for I am the SYMBOL OF THE KNOWLEDGE THAT DWELLS WITHIN EACH OF YOUR PSYCHES. I am MYSELF, but beyond that I am the SYMBOL of the knowledge that dwells within each of your psyches.”

Barrie Comments: Oh yeah, and Seth2 said about us humans…everyone but you apparently:

Seth2 (ESP Class, 1-13-70): “You do not understand multi-dimensional personality structures.

Ron Continues: They, too, wear guises and work through personas in order to relate to their audience. Jane’s Seth today is not the same Seth as when he spoke through Jane, you understand. Seth stated that if Jane did not work out that he would hand the material off to another earth psychic, however, Jane did work out.

Barrie Responds: Actually, that is not what Seth said. This is what Seth said:

Seth (Session 584): Rob Asked (#44): If you hadn ‘t been able to speak through Jane, would you try to do so through another or are you doing so anyhow?’

Seth Responds: I have spoken through others. The arrangements “this time” were already made, you see. It is true that Ruburt need not have accepted the arrangement. If so the material would have been given, but in different fashion.

I would not have spoken in this way, for this work requires a certain specific rapport, and definite characteristics on the part of the personality involved. Material could have been given in a much more simple fashion through another, but i wanted it as undistorted and fully dimensional as possible. Had Ruburt not been available, the material would have been given to a speaker, living in your terms, who was also involved in the creative field.

There is no one else presently alive in your system with whom I had any great rapport in the past, except yourselves. Such a Speaker would have received the information largely in the dream state, and written it in a series both of treatises and fictionalized narrative…

Had Ruburt not accepted, however, it is most probable that he would have chosen another life in which to fulfill the task, in which case I would have waited. The decision was always his, however, and had he not accepted at all, other arrangements would have been made.

Barrie NOW Comments: So, Seth would NOT have simply “handed it off” to another psychic. To say that is what he said is just wrong, untrue, misleading, a lie, manipulative…which is what you happen to almost always do, Ron.

Let’s now take a second look at what Seth just said above:

First of all, Seth said: “Had Ruburt not accepted, however, it is most probable that he would have chosen another life in which to fulfill the task, in which case I would have waited.

Barrie Comments: So, Seth said that he would have waiting for Jane in another lifetime.

Also, Seth Said: “Material could have been given in a much more simple fashion through another, but I wanted it AS UNDISTORTED AND FULLY DIMENSIONAL AS POSSIBLE.”

Barrie Comments: Again, Seth is emphasizing that just giving it to one other person, which he did not want to do, he very much still wanted it “as undistorted and fully dimensional as possible.”

And yet, here you are, Ron, telling us that he and his “family” would now give the material out to anyone and everyone not giving a shit anymore about distortion OR the integrity and authenticity of the work.

According to you, he went from only via Jane…to theoretically one other person in theory…to he would now communicate via anyone and everyone who asks. Yeah, right, Ron.

Now about that one theoretical person: “Had Ruburt not been available, the material would have been given to a speaker, living in your terms, who was also involved in the creative field…in a much more simple fashion through another, but I wanted it as undistorted and fully dimensional as possible…(But) and Ruburt not accepted, however, IT IS MOST PROBABLE THAT HE (RUBURT) WOULD HAVE CHOSEN ANOTHER LIFE IN WHICH TO FULFILL THE TASK, IN WHICH CASE I WOULD HAVE WAITED.”

Barrie Comments: So, it is not simply, as a matter of equal course, that IF Jane did not work out…Seth would have just handed it off to another psychic. And if he would have, it would have NOTHING to do with only communicated via one person in order to maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material. BUT he WOULD HAVE accepted much more distortion in his work, that he said he would not do.

Now, put that together with this quote in which Seth said that the last time he spoke thru someone was in our “distant past.”

Seth (Session 464): "Now, when you see what Ruburt can do occasionally, and the troubles I can have with distortion, then you can be sure that I WOULD NOT DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE CHANCES FOR DISTORTION BY ATTEMPTING TO SPEAK THROUGH ANYONE ELSE. He needs not worry. Beside, I like him too well.

"There is also something else that he seems to have forgotten–that your own relationships, yours and Ruburt’s and the relationships between us in the past, do much to make our communications possible. You transmit also, or rather you act as a transmitter whether you are at a session or not. So, unless there is another IDENTICAL Ruburt and Joseph combination I am stuck with you. (Smile.)

" Now in the past, in your distant past, when I spoke through others, or portions of my entity did so, then SUCH PERSONAL CONNECTIONS ALSO EXISTED with those through whom we communicated. Do you follow me here?

Barrie Comments: So, the last time he spoke thru someone was in our distant past…and most he would have waited for Jane in another lifetime…and IF he tried someone else it would have too much distortion.

And ON TOP OF ALL THIS, as you say, Jane and Rob did work out…and THAT is WHEN he said that he would NOT communicate via anyone but Jane in order to maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material; and that he wanted to keep distortions limited to what is humanly possible; and that people like you would use his name as a symbol for their own inner communication.

Ron Continues: Seth also stated that he wanted and expected Jane to channel for him for FORTY years, as he stated in the material, however, Jane gave only 21 of those 40 years of material that Seth already had lined up, so, then, Seth is teaching portions of those 19 years of material that Jane did not handle due to to the spontaneous circumstances that appeared and that altered her life after she was born.

Barrie Responds: Yes, Ron…Seth expected for Jane to give FORTY years of material. And when it became much more probable that that she would NOT be able to do so, he had plenty of time to say, “Since Jane will most probably not be able to dedicate 40 years to giving the material, I will start to communicate via everyone and anyone after she dies” OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT…but he did not say that, Ron. Only YOU repeatedly PRETEND he would DO this without saying it…

On top of THAT, you claim he is giving out “portions” of the 19 years she didn’t get to. OK, WHERE are those portions?

Jane’s been dead for 37 years already. He spoke thru Jane for 21 years and in those years he wrote all those books, including the Early and Personal sessions, and held all those classes. So, now she’s been dead 37 YEARS, 16 MORE years than he gave his material to Jane.

SO WHERE are these PORTIONS, Ron? Where is one ESSAY of new material? Where are the 10 new books? Ron, you MAKE THESE THEORIES UP IN YOUR HEAD and pretend they are true. Sorry, but that is what you do.

On the surface, if you don’t do much thinking, they may seem like they make some sort of sense. But ANY examination of what you say exposes the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.

So, in summary, yes. Seth had hoped that Jane would live long enough to complete 40 years of work—but future things like this can’t be planned or foreseen in any practical way. The future is fluid and not set in stone. No one, not even Seth, can predict the future—especially when a person will “choose” to die or not. Jane did not make it to complete the 40 years that Seth HOPED for. He also hoped the same would be true of Sue Watkins—and SHE, too, never made it through either.

Seth picked Jane and Rob—because they WERE Jane and Rob. He HOPED his dictation would last 40 years. It did not. BUT this does NOT mean that he would therefore choose others who, at best, would GREATLY distort his material—as well as ruin the integrity and authenticity of the material.

Ron Continues: Other probable Jane Roberts, and Seth discusses other Jane Roberts in the material, did live into their 80s, as Seth also mentions in the material, and those Jane’s dictated the 19 years of material and that material is available in Seth University, Dream Campus, for the mental asking.

Barrie Responds: Yes, concerning all the probable Jane’s. I don’t know if Seth is probable in these probable realities. But as for your statement of availability in Seth University…just for the mental asking…I don’t know how else to put this but…bullshit, Ron.

Ron Continues: Those Jane’s dictated Seth’s Christ book, for example. Again, I have many un-published Seth sessions that did NOT fall into Rick Stack’s hands. – Visit ron at SETH FORCE on Facebook for continued enlightening Seth family material.

Barrie Responds: I don’t know how to break this to you, Ron, but any UNPUBLISHED material was dictated by Seth TO JANE—while she was alive—and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the FACT that Seth said he would only communicate via Jane in order to maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material.

This post is so full of straw dogs that the Scarecrow of the Wizard of Oz couldn’t handle feeding all of them.

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Sadly, inavalan, I find it no surprise that you resort to silence when your words can no longer support what you are trying to say. I sincerely tried to openly discuss and explore your theories and concepts, in detail, and what Seth DID say–despite your contention that he didn’t really say them because he wouldn’t say them–therefore Jane just subconsciously distorted what Seth said about caring about the integrity and authenticity of his material–and his desire for as little distortion as possible.

When some people find their cherished or pretend ideas can’t hold up under the light, they return to the darkness, as you plan to do.

I’ve seen this happen TOO many times with folks who can’t stand the light of open and free discussion.

Be careful not to bang into Ron in the darkness that you so need and/or crave for your own needs of the moment.

Bye, until you ever want to explore Seth and things with open eyes.

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Barrie, … you’re an ass.

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He got very tiring. A clanging cymbal hears nothing but itself.

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inavalan, Why do you say that? Do you say that because I actually honestly reported exactly what happened, what you said and what you are doing? Perhaps you can’t or don’t want to face or deal with those things? Perhaps you are not used to dealing with such things. Perhaps, it is easier to call the messenger an ass.

By the way, you admonished me for being confrontational and insulting…that made me believe that you were opposed to those things…but here we are…and I guess not.

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WJ, What do you believe that I did not hear? Of course, you will not answer while claiming I hear nothing but myself. As I did with you, I answered in detail every sentence you two wrote to me–yet I hear nothing but myself? Your response was totally brief or not at all. Yet, what? You hear everything?

To me, it is odd that you claim that I hear nothing but myself by answering all you have written to me.

So, what did I not hear? Except your silence which I assume I will not hear again.

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There are many people who want attention and money in a way they think is easy. Always easy to ride on someone else’s coat tails, right? That is what is going on with the people who are trying to make a buck claiming to be channeling Seth. True Sethies know all they need to know from the books channelled by Jane. The people that are being fooled are no different than any group who are attracted to false religions who tell them what they want to hear. People that do not really want to know the truth actually seek out those false prophets. And where ever Seth, Jane and Rob are, they are all having a good old laugh about it all.
If someone wants to know the truth, it will come to them in a heartbeat, all that wisdom Seth shared in his writings, etc will attract the people that really want the information. The rest will find themselves attracted to the people trying to peddle the snake oil, and we all know who those people are.

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WP Writes: There are many people who want attention and money in a way they think is easy. Always easy to ride on someone else’s coat tails, right? That is what is going on with the people who are trying to make a buck claiming to be channeling Seth.

Barrie Responds: I agree…but I also believe there are many people claiming to communicate for Seth who sincerely believe it. This has been so ever since Jane started her books with Seth—never BEFORE, of course. No one claimed a Seth BEFORE Jane.

But even for the sincere ones, it IS easy to ride on Jane’s coattails…as an annoyed Jane expressed…see quote later on in this response.

WP Continues: True Sethies know all they need to know from the books channelled by Jane.

Barrie Responds: Well, first I’d say that EVERYONE who reads the books will learn great things. In my opinion, as undistorted as possible on the human plane.

As for some other folks: Some may feel they need or want more—but I agree it IS basically ALL there already in the Seth material.

Then, again, different people do feel they need different teachers at different times. Nowadays, these other Personalities do abound—and I speak of those who do not claim to be a Seth. .

WP Continues: The people that are being fooled are no different than any group who are attracted to false religions who tell them what they want to hear.

Barrie Responds: Well, people who are fooled by others in ANY field, do have a lot in common. But to narrow it down to the “fake Seths”: The people who are being fooled do sincerely believe these folks do communicate for Seth.

I would say that MOST of these folks have no idea what Seth, Jane and Rob actually said about Seth only communicating via Jane in order to maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material; and to keep distortions down to as little as is humanly possible; and how needed Rob was in this whole process; and that people would use Seth’s name as a symbol for their own inner communication—they most likely have NO idea of these things—and so it is very logical and sensible for them to believe that Seth has come back or never left…or maybe is here for the first time.

And then throw into the mix that these folks may have NEVER read a Seth book in their lives, and are just hearing about “Seth” for the first time thru these “fake Seth” people. These folks are probably not aware of what Seth actually said and so they only know what they hear—often for the first time—from these “fake Seths.”

But even KNOWLEGEABLE Seth readers are eager to accept other Seths—even more so, maybe, because they MISS him and want him back. And as Seth said, alluding to Superman: They want “Superman” back without “Clark Kent” because who needs him anyway. And who needs Jane if you can just get Seth directly yourself or thru another simpler “Clark Kent.”

When Jane was around. Seth readers DID fall for or easily accepted these other “fake Seths” and it annoyed, disappointed and outraged Jane a great deal.

Two years before her death, Jane wrote (CAPS and bold added for emphasis only):

Jane (Dreams, Evolution,Value Fulfillment–Essay 5, 4-18-82): “And–very troublesome to me–came the repeated news that various people were ‘speaking for Seth’ publicly, and charging hefty-enough fees. I felt that my work was being CONTAMINATED, and more, I was annoyed and disappointed by those readers who could apparently be so taken in by those other Seths. As he has said so many times, SETH SPEAKS ONLY THROUGH ME, TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE MATERIAL, and it is indeed THAT contract between him and me that always assures you of the AUTHENTICITY OF SETH’S WORK…I’M DEEPLY OUTRAGED that some people who consider themselves ‘followers’ of mine or Seth CAN SO EASILY FOOL THEMSELVES WHEN THEY CLAIM TO BE SPEAKING FOR SETH – be so blind to their own motives, or not recognize the fact that they’re taking advantage of people. THEY’RE ALSO USING MY WORK TO VALIDATE THEIR OWN…"

Barrie Comments: Notice that neither Seth nor Jane added, “But don’t worry…after my death Seth, his family and friends—will all communicate via all who ask,”

WP Continues: People that do not really want to know the truth actually seek out those false prophets.

Barrie Responds: Well, maybe if they don’t want to know the truth, they don’t seek out anyone, as well. If they want to be tricked, then they’d seek false prophets. But remember, there are many vines that grow on the tree of truth—and all these vines don’t grow the same fruit—are nourished from the same source.

As for those who believe that THEY are communicating for Seth, as I see it, they most likely ARE (unless they are true fakes) communicating their own inner understandings of these truths. And we ALLdo have inner access to these truths. Therefore, these folks can be on the mark in some or many ways–or off in some or many ways.

Thus, some of the “fake Seth” information may be valid as far as it goes, altho it wouldn’t be from Seth. It may be weak and distorted material but it probably has some basic truths in it on some levels. AND in some cases the information may be very good or excellent.

But in ANY case, horrible or excellent, Seth’s name would be used as a symbol—contaminating the Seth material.

WP Continues: And where ever Seth, Jane and Rob are, they are all having a good old laugh about it all.

Barrie Responds: I don’t know if they are laughing about it because they were very concerned when Jane was alive—to refute these fake Seths—because they were very concerned about maintaining the integrity and authenticity of the material. I don’t think THAT changed just because they have moved on, so to speak.

WP Continues: If someone wants to know the truth, it will come to them in a heartbeat, all that wisdom Seth shared in his writings, etc will attract the people that really want the information.

Barrie Responds: I agree. But I would add that these answers may also come to them via their own selves…with no outside source, no medium or entity giving it to them.

As you know, Seth’s info is not “his” info…it is eternal or ancient wisdow, so to speak, to which we all have inner access. And we all have our entities or Personalities. As Jane had Seth…we each have our Artemis, Aaron, Lisa or whatever name their Oversoul chooses to use.

BUT…I do agree that the answers will come to them…one way or another…maybe not in a heartbeat…but maybe in a lifetime or two…or a few years or months…or a hearthbeat.

WP Conclude: The rest will find themselves attracted to the people trying to peddle the snake oil, and we all know who those people are.

Barrie Concludes: Again, I don’t see it as so black and white. Some MAY find the snake oil salesmen…others may find religions or groups…and others who don’t find actual entities like Seth, may find those who claim to communicate for Seth.

But I don’t believe most of these people are snake oil salesmen. I believe, in my own ignorance but just going by my feelings–that most “fake Seth” folks believe what they say…BELIEVE they communicate for Seth—and are not lying to manipulate people just for the money or attention.

And, of course, some may just outright lie and manipulate.

And with some others, it may be a combination of both.

But the sincere ones are giving out information from their inner selves or from their own focal personalities. So, their material probably has something to it—and may not be just snake oil.