Where is Seth now? Is there any more contact with either Ruburt or Seth?

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Ron Writes: “I’m only repeating what i was told and learned from others in ESP class. No big deal, you should enjoy being called the POPE, as it perfectly fits your personality, from what I gathered from old class members. Ready to be defrocked?..LOL…ron.”

Barrie Responds. Ron, the only things you repeat are your shameless, malicious lies and lies. When they are disproven, you just repeat them anyway. You are a very disturbed person.

Let’s look again what actual class members have actually said when I told them of repeated your lies: :

Rick Stack: "My friend Barrie Gellis has asked me to give an accurate description about his participation in Jane Robert’s Seth Class, due to some rumors going around that he upset most people in Jane’s class or bothered them or whatever. As Barrie has been such an excellent and important contributor to the online Seth community all these years, I think it is important to clear up such false rumors. I attended over 100 of Jane’s Seth classes myself and was there to see pretty much all of the ones that Barrie attended. I can say unequivocally that not only did most class members obviously like and respect Barrie, but so did Jane Roberts. And I also recall Seth referring to Barrie quite affectionately. This doesn’t mean, of course, that there were no animated discussions or disagreements between class members at times. That was part and parcel of that magnificent and spontaneous class. And in that spirit, I would encourage Seth readers to by all means continue with vigorous discussion and debate, while simultaneously respecting and honoring the integrity of each person’s voice.”

Jeffrey Marcus: “I’ve known Barrie Gellis for 55 years. He’s always been honest and sincere. He came with us to Jane Roberts’ weekly ESP class in 1972 and was a well-respected class member for several years. Barrie is a poet and Jane, being a poet herself, took an instant liking to Barrie. Barrie was not known by any nickname while at class.”

Barrie Comments: This is what Richie Wolinsky wrote me when I told him about what Ron said, using him as a source:

Richie Wolinsky: “Ron is mistaken. I never said that and I never heard you referred to as ‘The Pope.’ Obviously, Dickie can’t speak for himself. But I never heard anyone call you the Pope.

“Also, insofar as I know, I’ve never thought or heard any of the boys, ever, say that you felt your interpretation was the only interpretation and everyone else was wrong. I’d further go on and say I don’t recall if you and I were in more than a couple of classes together — I assume we must have been, but basically you dropped out before I became a regular member of the class.

“I don’t know where Ron got the idea I said that to him, because I didn’t.”

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Barrie, seems that you haven’t figured it all out yet. My, you are dense. Don’t you get it? I’m having FUN with you! I’m puling your leg, so to speak. You are taking seriously what is poked in fun. Seems you get all up tight and can’t handle it…because of your rigid beliefs that you have created for yourself and for Seth. I have fun when I come here. When I come here I have fun. Get it? I’m tossing lessons you way, and you choose to see otherwise. Understand that you create your OWN reality; you do NOT create other people’s reality and your approach to manipulating other people’s beliefs is deplorable, filled with your EGO. You have not learned how to take a JOKE! LOL. Have fun Barrie, my friend. Cheers, ron.

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Ron, You’re now back to this “just joking” lie which doesn’t explain all the lies you told behind my back after you blocked me. And you have been doing this very seriously for more than five years—including lies about my family.
Your behavior is despicable.

You repeat your cruel lies about me in order to avoid facing the fact that Seth, Jane and Rob repeatedly said that Seth would only communicate via Jane in order to protect and maintain the integrity and authenticity of the Seth Material.

You cannot deal with that and so you strike out at the messenger and deal out your repeated lies about me because you can’t face what I am reporting.

You attack the messenger with lies in your attempt to belittle the messenger so that’s people will not listen to the factual message being report.

Then, when caught you lie about “just joking.” This is a lie told by liars when they get caught.

The FACT is that Seth, Jane and Rob repeatedly said that Seth would only communicate via Jane in order to protect and maintain the integrity and authenticity of the Seth Material.

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Barrie, Seth said that meaning ONLY WHILE JANE WAS ALIVE! Spiritual ignorance is at the basis of your problem here. A closed mind perceives nothing.
My no-name teachers in Seth University, Dream Campus, of which Jane’s Seth is but one of a whole faculty of teachers, each wearing a different guise face, fully explained it to me. Seth wished to preserve the integrity of the specific material that he organized for Jane to channel because other people were quickly jumping on the Seth bandwagon and horning in on the channeling phenomenon and they were, indeed, FAKE Seth channelers, and they were diluting Jane’s Seth’s work, so that is the only reason he said that, to differentiate between his pure work and the Seth fakers. As you well know, Tam Mossman’s entity that he channeled put that statement to rest, once and for all, and when it comes down to a misinformed ESP class member and a TRUE colleague of Seth’s , Yes, Tam’s “James” and Jane’s Seth are both the best of psychic friends and they taught the same basis material, and James put the question to rest when he came right out and said YES, Seth would come through others, but would appear in different guises and through different personas, and do not expect him to appear and claim the name of Seth. Perhaps you’re too ignorant to conceive of this revelation due to your closed mind.
However, when you leave physical reality soon, and me too, Seth will invite us, at my behest, to his 14th century Renaissance study, where we will sit around the table and Seth will then straighten you out on your MISCONCEPTION of his statement, once and for all. And I’ll check the color of your face! LOL…ron, a personality with a message who does not need a permission slip to speak.

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Ron, Not only is there no evidence whatsoever that assume that Seth would no longer care about the integrity and authenticity of the material AFTER Jane died.

You are just making it up about only when Jane was alive because of your desperate need to have a Seth still around because you don’t trust yourself.

Seth talks of this in the quotes I present

And it was not something Seth said about nice. It was said thru-out the whole material many things med.

For example:

—BEGIN PART ONE OF TWO—

Folks, It is NOT simply that “some people claim that Seth would only communicate through Ruburt.” SETH, JANE and ROB SAID SO OUTRIGHT IN THEIR OWN WORDS.

They never said ONLY WHEN JANE WAS ALIVE—which would mean after her death Seth would NO LONGER care about maintaining and protecting the integrity and authenticity of the material.

It is a made-up lie with zero evidence to claim that Seth said this for only when Jane was alive.

That said, Seth did not make one statement that he never repeated. He, Jane and Rob said so thru -out the whole material.

HERE are the 26 quotes right now to give you the opportunity to see directly for yourself that Seth, Jane and Rob clearly and repeatedly stated that Seth would ONLY communicate via Jane in order to maintain the integrity and authenticity of the Seth material.

In these quotes Seth ALSO talks about his relationship to Rob and Jane. He explains why people want a Seth without a Jane. He explains that people would use name as a symbol and on and on.

Instead of just speculating, why not just read the quotes, for those who have not. I post them in two parts.

Let me remind you: These are SETH’s, JANE’s and ROB’s words. NOT my words; and NOT the words of any Seth “experts” getting it wrong. These are THEIR WORDS and CAPS have been added for emphasis only…

Barrie Comments: Seth Communicates Only Thru Jane–And Rob IS NEEDED:

Seth (Session 110): "…RUBURT (LOUDER) WILL PRESENT MY MATERIAL FOR ME…

Seth (Session 454, 12-7-68, Early Sessions 9): “My friend here, Ruburt, is my mouth, and speaks for me…I WILL NEVER SPEAK THROUGH ANYONE OTHER THAN RUBURT, simply because there MUST NEVER BE ANY DOUBT OF THE ORIGIN OF THE SETH MATERIAL.”

Seth (Session 510, 1-19-70, Seth Speaks):
"MY COMMUNICATIONS WILL COME EXCLUSIVELY THROUGH (JANE) AT ALL TIMES, to protect the integrity of the material…”

Seth (Session 15, 1-13-64, Early Sessions 1): "Joseph, your part in these sessions is extremely important. WITHOUT YOUR PARTICIPATION THEY COULD NOT HAVE BEGUN, NOR COULD THEY CONTINUE. Because of our past alliances the three of us are closely bound together. However, I need the two of you in order to come through at all.”

Seth (Session 58, 6-1-64): “RUBURT and myself are offshoots of the same entity…And now, my dear patient JOSEPH, may I tell you THAT YOU ARE ALSO PART OF THAT SAME ENTITY - AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I AM ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU BOTH."

Seth (Session 170): “My concern is with the material I am presenting…RUBURT (LOUDER) WILL PRESENT MY MATERIAL FOR ME…It is largely disregarded, the sort of personality which is required in this endeavor. It simply happens that because of past relationships I know Ruburt well, and Ruburt knows me FAR better than he imagines. He knows well who I am, and I know who he is…NOR SHOULD JOSEPH’S PART IN THIS ENDEAVOR BE FORGOTTEN. It is more complicated than you may suppose. Now, I have trained Ruburt and taught Ruburt so that his valid clairvoyant experiences can be put on some sort of scientific basis…He is an intelligent and intuitional personality, and should be given credit.”

Seth (Session 463, 2-5-69, Early Sessions 9): "Now, when you see what Ruburt can do occasionally, and the troubles I can have with distortion, then you can be sure that I WOULD NOT DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE CHANCES FOR DISTORTION BY ATTEMPTING TO SPEAK THROUGH ANYONE ELSE…There is also something else that he seems to have forgotten–that your own relationships, yours (Rob’s) and Ruburt’s and the relationships BETWEEN US in the past, do much to make our communications possible.”

Seth (Session 47): “This material WITH ALL MY BEST EFFORTS, and with yours (Rob & Jane), of necessity must contain distortions merely in order to make itself exist at all on your plane…ANY material, to exist on your plane…MUST be somewhat distorted. I must use phrases with which your minds are somewhat familiar…If I did not take advantage of your own camouflage system, then YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE MATERIAL…Inner data…MUST make its entry through some distortion… THIS MATERIAL IS MORE VALID THAN ANY MATERIAL POSSIBLE ON YOUR PLANE.”

Seth (ESP Class, 12-19-72): “Seth Speaks should be called You Speak and You Speak and You Speak. SO LISTEN TO YOURSELVES.”

Barrie Comments: Jane Wrote The Following 2-1/2 Years Before She Died. Don’t You Think That This Late In The Game–Seth Would Have Said SOMETHING About Communicating Via Others—If Not Just To Ease Her Outrage? He Did NOT Even Do So In “Way Towards Health” In The Weeks, Days OR Hours Before She Died:

Jane (Dreams, Evolution,Value Fulfillment–Essay 5, 4-18-82): “And–very troublesome to me–came the repeated news that various people were ‘speaking for Seth’ publicly, and charging hefty-enough fees. I felt that my work was being CONTAMINATED, and more, I was annoyed and disappointed by those readers who could apparently be so taken in by those other Seths. As he has said so many times, SETH SPEAKS ONLY THROUGH ME, TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE MATERIAL, and it is indeed THAT contract between him and me that always assures you of the AUTHENTICITY OF SETH’S WORK…I’M DEEPLY OUTRAGED that some people who consider themselves ‘followers’ of mine or Seth CAN SO EASILY FOOL THEMSELVES WHEN THEY CLAIM TO BE SPEAKING FOR SETH – be so blind to their own motives, or not recognize the fact that they’re taking advantage of people. THEY’RE ALSO USING MY WORK TO VALIDATE THEIR OWN…"

Barrie Comments: Rob On The Same Day, Asks: Why Wouldn’t Seth Just Say So…

Rob (Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment, V.1, 4-18-82): "After all, if he does come through others – or can if he wants to – why hasn’t Seth himself simply said so, and repeatedly, in the books as we’ve published them over the years? We’d have respected his statements on that aspect of his abilities and intents as much as we did – and do – on any other. To have attempted to censor Seth since 1963, say, to ‘keep him to ourselves’ on that particular subject, would have long ago turned into an impossibly complicated and dishonest task: Jane and I would have become involved in a constant distortion of his material as we rewrote the sessions. Such a procedure would have turned into a creative tragedy for us and for our readers.”

Barrie Comments: And Why Does Seth “Appear” Only AFTER Jane Made The Name Popular:

Rob (Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment, V.1, 4-18-82): “… How come those other people made their ‘Seths’ known AFTER Jane began to speak for HER Seth, and to publish the Jane-Seth material? Being inspired to use one’s own abilities is a perfectly understandable development that we can be very happy about. But to claim to speak for Jane’s Seth…is quite another thing.”

—END PART ONE OF TWO—

—BEGIN PART TWO OF TWO—

Barrie Comments: Why The Need To Believe Seth Is Still Here:

Seth (Deleted Session, 7-2-77): “Many of the people who read my books …are afraid…of going out on their own, so to speak…They think "IF I HAD A SETH, I too would progress….”

Seth (Deleted Session, 7-2-77, longer version): “Many of the people who read my books …realize that the authorities know far less than they originally supposed. They are afraid, however, of going out on their own, so to speak…

"They do not trust themselves. They do not have the stamina, or the resoluteness, however, yet, to face a reality in which THEY are the creators of their circumstances. They no longer TRUST religion or science in organizational terms…They must accept the fact that Ruburt…will dare to follow the dictates of the inner self, and this makes the entire affair more frightening to them…

"… and since they distrust themselves they cannot really understand how the two of YOU trust yourselves as much as you do. They use MY position as a substitute for the authority they are trying to give up. They think "IF I HAD A SETH, I too would progress….”

Seth (Deleted Session 7-2-77): “People become FRIGHTENED sometimes…They want to think that I spring AUTOMATICALLY into your lives, as SUPERMAN. They did not question Superman. Only a simple change of clothing was required for our hero, Mr. Kent. They do NOT want Ruburt’s inquiring mind to intrude.

"What comic book reader wants to bother with a CLARK KENT … Or worse–wants Clark Kent to shout out from the phone booth, or wherever: “You can do (YOUR VERSION) of this too because we ALL have a reality in which we are Clark Kent AND Superman at one and the same time”? Such people simply want Superman to PERFORM his miracles.

"They want to keep Clark Kent and Superman entirely SEPARATE on a mental, psychical, and physical basis, and ONLY in the terms of our analogy…I become a SUPERSOUL rather than SUPERMAN. They do NOT want my AUTHORITY questioned…They think that if THEY had their OWN SUPERSOUL they would have FAR better sense than Ruburt, and they would use me as if I were a MAGIC GENIE. They are afraid Ruburt might…QUESTION ME OUT OF EXISTENCE, for they do NOT understand that Ruburt’s questions, and YOURS (Rob’s), your sense of integrity, are partially responsible for a “superman” rather than a SUPERMOUSE.”

Barrie Comments: Seth As SYMBOL In Dreams, Out Of Bodies, Automatic Writing, And Other Communications:

Seth (ESP Class, 3-12-74): Class Member: “Seth, would you help me in my DREAMS if I tried to contact you?”

Seth Responds: “You help yourself in your own dreams. You do not need me. You may use the SYMBOL of me, but when you do, it is a SYMBOL OF YOUR OWN INNER KNOWLEDGE, for I am the SYMBOL OF THE KNOWLEDGE THAT DWELLS WITHIN EACH OF YOUR PSYCHES. I am MYSELF, but beyond that I am the SYMBOL of the knowledge that dwells within each of your psyches.”

Jane (God of Jane, 1981): "(A) man ‘in contact’ with Seth…wanted to inform me that I’d distorted Seth’s material on Christ, and that Seth had TOLD him so!..Good Christ!’ I muttered irritably to Rob when I read the letter. What about the other two people who wrote last year, each with their own versions of Christ’s life, each contradicting the other, and each supposedly containing corrections from Seth?’…

I’d written the man a brief note explaining that he was free to believe what he wanted about Christ’s life – that HE WASN’T IN CONTACT WITH SETH, BUT WITH HIS OWN SYMBOLIZED VERSION OF WHO OR WHAT HE THOUGHT SETH WAS."

Jane (Chap.9, 1970, Seth Material): “Mrs. Brian had a terrific headache while reading the article (about Seth); suddenly she thought she felt Seth’s presence. An inner voice, presumably Seth’s, told her that she had been feeling sorry for herself that she must stop brooding over her health at once, get up, and go out for a walk. If SO, she would improve at once…

“We asked Seth about the incident. In this case, he said, Mrs. Brian had USED HIM AS A SYMBOL OF HER INNER SELF, or SUPRACONSCIOUSNESS, to deliver help and healing influences as well as advice. The experience helped the woman to use her own abilities, and the IDEA of Seth ENABLED HER TO ACTIVATE HER OWN HEALING FORCES.”

Seth (Session 876, 8-27-79): "A woman wrote that she was involved with. . . correspondences in which I was communicating with her, and she was certain that this would prove beyond a doubt my own independent nature, since I [would have given] messages to another medium besides Ruburt. The woman was quite convinced of that.

"Other people have written that I have given them such messages. Another woman DREAMED of me; and had an experience in which a child was definitely healed. Now, I DID NOT COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE WOMEN—BUT THEIR BELIEF IN ME HELPED EACH OF THEM USE CERTAIN ABILITIES. One woman has done some writing—not very good—but still, those abilities came to the fore. The other woman was able to use her OWN healing abilities.”

Seth (2-12-74): Class Transcript: “Arthur then addressed Seth describing an experience of the past week wherein he was trying to get out-of-body and found that he was unable to do so. After trying, without success, to get out-of-body, he thought he had heard Seth say, ‘The Mona Lisa is very, very heavy.’ He could not understand that statement.”

Seth Responds: Now, the voice was your own interpretation of what I might have said to you. But it is your interpretation, and so you should by rights tell me what it means! But for now, I will give you a clue: Sweetness and light comes hard. It is my interpretation of your interpretation!

Jane (Chap.9, 1970, Seth Material): “Several people have told me that Seth communicated with them through AUTOMATIC WRITING, but Seth denies any such contacts, saying that HIS COMMUNICATIONS WILL BE LIMITED TO HIS WORK WITH ME, in order that the INTEGRITY of the Seth Material be preserved.”

Seth (Session 463, 2-5-69): “IT IS QUITE NATURAL THAT OTHERS…who are experimenting SHOULD GO THROUGH A STAGE IN WHICH IT SEEMS TO THEM THEY ARE RECEIVING INFORMATION FROM ME. Suggestion operates, and any trance deeper than ordinary for them can be interpreted in these terms.”

Rob (Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment, V.1, 4-18-82): "Even in God of Jane, which was published in 1981, Jane presented some relatively late material from Seth to show that he doesn’t independently communicate with others. The idea that he’d done so can be inspiring….Seth stated: ‘Now, I did not communicate with those women – but their belief in me helped each of them use certain abilities.’”

Seth (ESP Class, 4-17-73): “If you are quick, and if you are intuitive, and if you are courageous, and if some evening you listen to my voice in the proper mood, then you can follow YOURSELF to the heart of yourself, using the voice as a road or vehicle.”

----END OF EXCERPTS-----

Barrie Comments: This concludes my current list of excerpts. Do you REALLY believe after reading ALL that Seth, Jane and Rob said–that he would simply CHANGE his mind AFTER Jane’s death and contaminate his material by now communicating thru ANYONE who asks? That he would NO LONGER CARE about the integrity and authenticity of his material AFTER Jane died?

—END PART TWO OF TWO—

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Quote from: ESP CLASS SESSION, SEPTEMBER 16, 19

I will help each of you according to the extent to which you allow me to help you—and therein, indeed, lies a mighty tale. There are others ready to help you—again, when you are ready to permit their aid.

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inavalan Quotes Seth: “I will help each of you according to the extent to which you allow me to help you—and therein, indeed, lies a mighty tale. There are others ready to help you—again, when you are ready to permit their aid.”

Barrie Comments: This is a quote from the 9-16-69 Seth class. Seth is directly addressing the 11 people in class that night.

When Seth says, “I will help each of you,” he refers to the 11 class members that he is addressing.

Seth is telling the class members that he is there to help them “to the extent to which you allow me to help” you.

In other words, as these folks continue attending class, Seth will be there to help them.

Seth also says that there are unspecified “others ready to help you…when you are ready to permit their aid.”

I believe that Seth here refers the inner voices, selves and entities of the class members.

Seth goes on to say, “We will have journeys here, in class…”

Barrie Comments: So, it is clear that in this transcript, as in all transcripts, that Seth is addressing the class members…including when he says in the two sentences excerpted by inavalan:

Seth: " “I will help each of you according to the extent to which you allow me to help you—and therein, indeed, lies a mighty tale. There are others ready to help you—again, when you are ready to permit their aid.”

Barrie Comments: So, inavalan, out of curiosity: What is your point or purpose concerning why you posted this excerpt in this thread?

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ron: “A closed mind perceives nothing.”

Speaking of closed minds lol:

I copy pasted this verbatim from the Yahoo ‘Seth Practicing Idealists’ site. When I reposted it on another FB site Ron claimed it was a fake post I’d made up:

"Ron: … please understand I’m not racist…I’m expressing an objective
observation…
Here in central Virginia, the population is 60% Black…high
unemployment, high welfare, the textile industry lost out to Chinese
imports and towns have become service industries with endless hamburger
flippers and wait help. If you visit the local hospital emergency room
on any given night, you will find it filled with 90% Blacks with all
sorts of minor aliments, however, because by law, the hospital cannot
turn down and must treat anyone coming into the ER, so they clog the
system with trivial problems, the high–and getting higher–cost of
health care is being passed off to those who have and can afford
insurance and their premiums keep going up and up.
Somewhat unrelated, Additionally, schools have saddled teachers with
lowering the bar (the standard) for Blacks so they get social
promotions(or else they’d spend several years in the same grade), that
is, graduate high school with a less than a 70 average, and they go into
the workplace with less than desirable education. A friend teacher
confided/revealed this to me and that her white kids must get a 70% to
pass.
The Black out of wedlock pregnancy rate is off the charts–welfare
mothers raising welfare kids. The definition of confusion is father’s
day in Blackville. If you visit the regional prison, you’ll discover
that Blacks make up 87% of the criminal population and many are being
released early due to over-crowding. In general, Blacks are then easily
talked into voting Democrat so they can insure their free ride at
societies expense. For example, a Black with a room temperature IQ votes
democratic because he’s promised a cut of Obama’s “stash"and his or her
vote is just a valid as a well-thought out Republican or a
Libertarian’s vote. Go figure. Don’t believe it…come on down and I’ll
show you first hand. These are some of the problems experienced around
here in the South. Go figure.
Ron, Sethian”

A couple more charming Ron posts snips from that thread:
“…These local people, the majority of which are Black are creating
their own reality and are expressing themselves, probably not to
the best of their ability, but they choose their circumstances, their “lot” in life. Everyone in time finds their own path to
enlightenment. I am not judging them, only telling what I see. ,”

“Years ago, they did a follow-up story of selected Virginia Lotto
winners, and the results would startle you, well, maybe not.
Over half were broke within a short period of time due to
never having had large sums of money, and not having the
mental capacity to invest and manage it.
Here, the majority of lotto tickets are bought by poor Blacks spending
their last few welfare dollars in an attempt to get rich quick, very sad.
ron”

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Barrie, I will take the words of Tam Mossman’s channeled “James” non-physical essence personality, like Jane’s Seth, over your distorted opinion about Seth never coming through others after Jane transcended. Seth as always been a teacher and he always will be regardless of what your overblown POPE ego thinks, of course, your CLOSED mind perceives NOTHING, as usual, LOL!. However, I am enjoying having SO MUCH FUN with you! You are a riot, you should have been a comedian, you just don’t know how FUNNY you sound! Keepm cracking me up!..Cheers, yours truly…

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The way I read it, Seth (being a teacher) teaches some of those who ask to be taught, not only the people from that class. It seems incredible for a non-physical teacher to teach only a few people over the eons. What else would Seth do as a teacher than teach?

I believe that everything that Seth teaches is “Seth material”, even if it isn’t part of Jane & Rob’s “Seth Material”. The accuracy of his message depends on the pupil (his development, his beliefs, his commitment), as it was the case with Jane, Rob, and the others too.

This doesn’t mean that everybody who honestly believes that they were in contact with Jane’s Seth is right. There must be an infinite number of teachers, each teaching in their own specific manner same kind of truths, some of those teachers being more or less successful, more or less knowledgeable than Jane’s Seth (Seth mentioned other teachers with whom he compares notes, who have somewhat different teaching methods).

People who honestly believe to be in touch with Jane’s Seth may or may not be so; neither they nor we can know which is which. Anyway, I believe that it is a mistake to follow others’ interpretations of the Seth Material, as it is a mistake to follow any guru or dogma. The only way, I believe, is for yourself to contact your own inner source of knowledge and guidance. Why assimilate other people’s distortions?

I am sure that there must’ve been, and that there’ll be other people to get knowledge from a non-physical teacher, everyone filtering it through their own beliefs and abilities. That non-physical teacher in some case has to be Jane’s Seth.

People inherently involuntarily distort the non-physical knowledge they access, and unfortunately they aren’t aware of that possibility. (People even trust the media’s talking heads.)

On the other hand, considering the “present point of power” and the “inverted time” concepts (as introduced by Jane’s Seth) it is probable that we here-now, participating in this discussion, created and create our past memories differently, so they don’t match, and don’t even match our personalities’ actual experiences. I think that’s a good reason to not continue arguing about what happened 50 years ago, and I think that it doesn’t even matter.

You asked …

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Think about it: we all read the same books, but understand the material differently. What we can be sure of, is that none of us gets Seth’s intended message 100% accurately. We all distort it, and Jane distorted it too (as Seth repeatedly mentioned).

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My Dear Barrie, In my dream adventures in consciousness, as a student in Seth University, Dream Campus, I meet and am being taught by Jane - Ruburt, and also Rob - Joseph, who, incidentally were trained as Speakers back in the day of Jane’s ESP classes, and Seth came through and acknowledged that they were, then, Speakers in training. Well, they are now multidimensional, multifaceted, Speaker gestalt personalities in their own right, and I learn MUCH from both of them. In addition, many Seth teachers hold classes and they all wear different faces and adopt different personas, and they all are members of WE ARE SETH…Session 419…that is, for your edification, Jane’s Seth is one of many such “Seth” teachers and they go by DIFFERENT names and their work changes all the time. There is no such thing as getting all the necessary Seth information you need and you need NO MORE. As Jane’s Seth stated many times, "The Seth material is ENDLESS. Now, Barrie, Is the Seth material really endless? Cheers, ron, a personality with a message who does not need a permission slip to teach the material.

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Barrie, You may like to know that several years ago, your old friend, Laurel Davies-Butts, gave me a “first carbon” copy of Rob’s typed Seth session manuscript, Volume #18, and she impressed upon me that this particular manuscript was UNIQUE, in that it contained a DOZEN never before published Seth sessions, that is, NO book reference, and these are the LOST SETH SESSIONS! Yes, I am privy to Seth that you and all the others have NEVER seen. This would make one hell of a great Seth publication…THE LOST SETH SESSIONS. Even Rick Stack does not have them! Well, three of the sessions are amazing Christ revelations, one is on Atlantis, one is on Rob’s mother and their psychic relation, and several other topics are covered. The dates here are 1975. I haven’t decided what to do with these “lost” sessions as yet. You would find these sessions quite informative, as would many bother Seth enthusiasts. Cheers, ron.

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Barrie Replies: You are pretending to take Tam’s channeled “James” over what Seth, Jane and Rob said. And they NEVER said “only while Jane is alive.” NEVER. You just make that up.

And…it is NOT my opinion, distorted or otherwise. It is something that Seth, Jane and Rob said thru-out the whole of giving his material. He wanted to protect and maintain the authenticity and integrity of the material. That is THEIR words, NOT mine. Why didn’t Seth ever say that he would communicate via others after Jane died? Why would he no longer care about the integrity and authenticity of the material AFTER Jane died?

Again, it is not one quote from Seth…there are 26 quotes on the subject…and actually a 27th that I didn’t add yet:

—BEGIN PART ONE OF TWO—

Folks, HERE are 26 quotes right now for you—to give you the opportunity to see directly for yourself that Seth, Jane and Rob clearly and repeatedly stated that Seth would ONLY communicate via Jane in order to maintain the integrity and authenticity of the Seth material.

In these quotes Seth ALSO talks about his relationship to Rob and Jane. He explains why people want a Seth without a Jane. He explains that people would use name as a symbol and on and on.

Why not just read the quotes, for those who have not. I post them in two parts.

Let me remind you: These are SETH’s, JANE’s and ROB’s words. NOT my words; and NOT the words of any Seth “experts” getting it wrong. These are THEIR WORDS and CAPS have been added for emphasis only…

Barrie Comments: Seth Communicates Only Thru Jane–And Rob IS NEEDED:
Seth (Session 110): "…RUBURT (LOUDER) WILL PRESENT MY MATERIAL FOR ME…

Seth (Session 454, 12-7-68, Early Sessions 9): “My friend here, Ruburt, is my mouth, and speaks for me**…I WILL NEVER SPEAK THROUGH ANYONE OTHER THAN RUBURT**, simply because there MUST NEVER BE ANY DOUBT OF THE ORIGIN OF THE SETH MATERIAL.”

Seth (Session 510, 1-19-70, Seth Speaks):

"MY COMMUNICATIONS WILL COME EXCLUSIVELY THROUGH (JANE) AT ALL TIMES, to protect the integrity of the material…”

Seth (Session 15, 1-13-64, Early Sessions 1): "Joseph, your part in these sessions is extremely important. WITHOUT YOUR PARTICIPATION THEY COULD NOT HAVE BEGUN, NOR COULD THEY CONTINUE. Because of our past alliances the three of us are closely bound together. However, I need the two of you in order to come through at all.”

Seth (Session 58, 6-1-64): “RUBURT and myself are offshoots of the same entity…And now, my dear patient JOSEPH, may I tell you THAT YOU ARE ALSO PART OF THAT SAME ENTITY - AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I AM ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU BOTH."

Seth (Session 170): “My concern is with the material I am presenting…RUBURT (LOUDER) WILL PRESENT MY MATERIAL FOR ME…It is largely disregarded, the sort of personality which is required in this endeavor. It simply happens that because of past relationships I know Ruburt well, and Ruburt knows me FAR better than he imagines. He knows well who I am, and I know who he is…NOR SHOULD JOSEPH’S PART IN THIS ENDEAVOR BE FORGOTTEN. It is more complicated than you may suppose. Now, I have trained Ruburt and taught Ruburt so that his valid clairvoyant experiences can be put on some sort of scientific basis…He is an intelligent and intuitional personality, and should be given credit.”

Seth (Session 463, 2-5-69, Early Sessions 9): "Now, when you see what Ruburt can do occasionally, and the troubles I can have with distortion, then you can be sure that **I WOULD NOT DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE CHANCES FOR DISTORTION BY ATTEMPTING TO SPEAK THROUGH ANYONE ELSE…**There is also something else that he seems to have forgotten–that your own relationships, yours (Rob’s) and Ruburt’s and the relationships BETWEEN US in the past, do much to make our communications possible.”

Seth (Session 47): “This material WITH ALL MY BEST EFFORTS, and with yours (Rob & Jane), of necessity must contain distortions merely in order to make itself exist at all on your plane…ANY material, to exist on your plane…MUST be somewhat distorted. I must use phrases with which your minds are somewhat familiar…If I did not take advantage of your own camouflage system, then YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE MATERIAL…Inner data…MUST make its entry through some distortion… THIS MATERIAL IS MORE VALID THAN ANY MATERIAL POSSIBLE ON YOUR PLANE.”

Seth (ESP Class, 12-19-72): “Seth Speaks should be called You Speak and You Speak and You Speak. SO LISTEN TO YOURSELVES.”

Barrie Comments: Jane Wrote The Following 2-1/2 Years Before She Died. Don’t You Think That This Late In The Game–Seth Would Have Said SOMETHING About Communicating Via Others—If Not Just To Ease Her Outrage? He Did NOT Even Do So In “Way Towards Health” In The Weeks, Days OR Hours Before She Died:

Jane (Dreams, Evolution,Value Fulfillment–Essay 5, 4-18-82): “And–very troublesome to me–came the repeated news that various people were ‘speaking for Seth’ publicly, and charging hefty-enough fees. I felt that my work was being CONTAMINATED, and more, I was annoyed and disappointed by those readers who could apparently be so taken in by those other Seths. As he has said so many times, SETH SPEAKS ONLY THROUGH ME, TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE MATERIAL, and it is indeed THAT contract between him and me that always assures you of the AUTHENTICITY OF SETH’S WORK**…I’M DEEPLY OUTRAGED that some people who consider themselves ‘followers’ of mine or Seth CAN SO EASILY FOOL THEMSELVES WHEN THEY CLAIM TO BE SPEAKING FOR SETH – be so blind to their own motives,** or not recognize the fact that they’re taking advantage of people. THEY’RE ALSO USING MY WORK TO VALIDATE THEIR OWN…"

Barrie Comments: Rob On The Same Day, Asks: Why Wouldn’t Seth Just Say So…

Rob (Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment, V.1, 4-18-82): "After all, if he does come through others – or can if he wants to – why hasn’t Seth himself simply said so, and repeatedly, in the books as we’ve published them over the years? We’d have respected his statements on that aspect of his abilities and intents as much as we did – and do – on any other. To have attempted to censor Seth since 1963, say, to ‘keep him to ourselves’ on that particular subject, would have long ago turned into an impossibly complicated and dishonest task: Jane and I would have become involved in a constant distortion of his material as we rewrote the sessions. Such a procedure would have turned into a creative tragedy for us and for our readers.”

Barrie Comments: And Why Does Seth “Appear” Only AFTER Jane Made The Name Popular:

Rob (Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment, V.1, 4-18-82): "… How come those other people made their ‘Seths’ known AFTER Jane began to speak for HER Seth, and to publish the Jane-Seth material? Being inspired to use one’s own abilities is a perfectly understandable development that we can be very happy about. But to claim to speak for Jane’s Seth…is quite another thing."

—END PART ONE OF TWO—

—BEGIN PART TWO OF TWO—

Barrie Comments: Why The Need To Believe Seth Is Still Here:

Seth (Deleted Session, 7-2-77): “Many of the people who read my books …are afraid…of going out on their own, s o to speak…They think "IF I HAD A SETH, I too would progress….”

Seth (Deleted Session, 7-2-77, longer version): “Many of the people who read my books …realize that the authorities know far less than they originally supposed. They are afraid, however, of going out on their own, so to speak…

"They do not trust themselves. They do not have the stamina, or the resoluteness, however, yet, to face a reality in which THEY are the creators of their circumstances. They no longer TRUST religion or science in organizational terms…They must accept the fact that Ruburt…will dare to follow the dictates of the inner self, and this makes the entire affair more frightening to them…

"… and since they distrust themselves they cannot really understand how the two of YOU trust yourselves as much as you do. They use MY position as a substitute for the authority they are trying to give up. They think "IF I HAD A SETH, I too would progress….”

Seth (Deleted Session 7-2-77): “People become FRIGHTENED sometimes…They want to think that I spring AUTOMATICALLY into your lives, as SUPERMAN. They did not question Superman. Only a simple change of clothing was required for our hero, Mr. Kent. They do NOT want Ruburt’s inquiring mind to intrude.

"What comic book reader wants to bother with a CLARK KENT … Or worse–wants Clark Kent to shout out from the phone booth, or wherever: “You can do (YOUR VERSION) of this too because we ALL have a reality in which we are Clark Kent AND Superman at one and the same time”? Such people simply want Superman to PERFORM his miracles.

"They want to keep Clark Kent and Superman entirely SEPARATE on a mental, psychical, and physical basis, and ONLY in the terms of our analogy…I become a SUPERSOUL rather than SUPERMAN. They do NOT want my AUTHORITY questioned…They think that if THEY had their OWN SUPERSOUL they would have FAR better sense than Ruburt, and they would use me as if I were a MAGIC GENIE. They are afraid Ruburt might…QUESTION ME OUT OF EXISTENCE, for they do NOT understand that Ruburt’s questions, and YOURS (Rob’s), your sense of integrity, are partially responsible for a “superman” rather than a SUPERMOUSE.”

Barrie Comments: Seth As SYMBOL In Dreams, Out Of Bodies, Automatic Writing, And Other Communications:

Seth (ESP Class, 3-12-74): Class Member: “Seth, would you help me in my DREAMS if I tried to contact you?”

Seth Responds: “You help yourself in your own dreams. You do not need me. You may use the SYMBOL of me, but when you do, it is a SYMBOL OF YOUR OWN INNER KNOWLEDGE, for I am the SYMBOL OF THE KNOWLEDGE THAT DWELLS WITHIN EACH OF YOUR PSYCHES. I am MYSELF, but beyond that I am the SYMBOL of the knowledge that dwells within each of your psyches.”

Jane (God of Jane, 1981): "(A) man ‘in contact’ with Seth…wanted to inform me that I’d distorted Seth’s material on Christ, **and that Seth had TOLD him so!..**Good Christ!’ I muttered irritably to Rob when I read the letter. What about the other two people who wrote last year, each with their own versions of Christ’s life, each contradicting the other, and each supposedly containing corrections from Seth?'…

I’d written the man a brief note explaining that he was free to believe what he wanted about Christ’s life – that HE WASN’T IN CONTACT WITH SETH, BUT WITH HIS OWN SYMBOLIZED VERSION OF WHO OR WHAT HE THOUGHT SETH WAS**."**

Jane (Chap.9, 1970, Seth Material): “Mrs. Brian had a terrific headache while reading the article (about Seth); suddenly she thought she felt Seth’s presence. An inner voice, presumably Seth’s, told her that she had been feeling sorry for herself that she must stop brooding over her health at once, get up, and go out for a walk. If SO, she would improve at once…

“We asked Seth about the incident. In this case, he said, Mrs. Brian had USED HIM AS A SYMBOL OF HER INNER SELF, or SUPRACONSCIOUSNESS, to deliver help and healing influences as well as advice. The experience helped the woman to use her own abilities, and the IDEA of Seth ENABLED HER TO ACTIVATE HER OWN HEALING FORCES.”

Seth (Session 876, 8-27-79): "A woman wrote that she was involved with. . . correspondences in which I was communicating with her, and she was certain that this would prove beyond a doubt my own independent nature, since I [would have given] messages to another medium besides Ruburt. The woman was quite convinced of that.

"Other people have written that I have given them such messages. Another woman DREAMED of me; and had an experience in which a child was definitely healed. Now, I DID NOT COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE WOMEN—BUT THEIR BELIEF IN ME HELPED EACH OF THEM USE CERTAIN ABILITIES. One woman has done some writing—not very good—but still, those abilities came to the fore. The other woman was able to use her OWN healing abilities.”

Seth (2-12-74): Class Transcript: “Arthur then addressed Seth describing an experience of the past week wherein he was trying to get out-of-body and found that he was unable to do so. After trying, without success, to get out-of-body, he thought he had heard Seth say, ‘The Mona Lisa is very, very heavy.’ He could not understand that statement.”

Seth Responds: Now, the voice was your own interpretation of what I might have said to you. But it is your interpretation, and so you should by rights tell me what it means! But for now, I will give you a clue: Sweetness and light comes hard. It is my interpretation of your interpretation!

Jane (Chap.9, 1970, Seth Material): “Several people have told me that Seth communicated with them through AUTOMATIC WRITING, but Seth denies any such contacts, saying that HIS COMMUNICATIONS WILL BE LIMITED TO HIS WORK WITH ME, in order that the INTEGRITY of the Seth Material be preserved.”

Seth (Session 463, 2-5-69): “IT IS QUITE NATURAL THAT OTHERS…who are experimenting SHOULD GO THROUGH A STAGE IN WHICH IT SEEMS TO THEM THEY ARE RECEIVING INFORMATION FROM ME. Suggestion operates, and any trance deeper than ordinary for them can be interpreted in these terms.”

Rob (Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment, V.1, 4-18-82): "Even in God of Jane, which was published in 1981, Jane presented some relatively late material from Seth to show that he doesn’t independently communicate with others. The idea that he’d done so can be inspiring….Seth stated: ‘Now, I did not communicate with those women – but their belief in me helped each of them use certain abilities.’”

Seth (ESP Class, 4-17-73): “If you are quick, and if you are intuitive, and if you are courageous, and if some evening you listen to my voice in the proper mood**, then you can follow YOURSELF to the heart of yourself, using the voice as a road or vehicle.**”

----END OF EXCERPTS-----

Barrie Comments: This concludes my current list of excerpts. Does you REALLY believe after reading ALL that Seth, Jane and Rob said–that he would simply CHANGE his mind AFTER Jane’s death and contaminate his material by now communicating thru ANYONE who asks? That he would NO LONGER CARE about the integrity and authenticity of his material AFTER Jane died?

—END PART TWO OF TWO—

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Barrie Replies: Sometimes we can’t be sure of a message or something, especially when the message is about some esoteric, nonphysical, misty, metaphysical topic–or topics which exists outside of linear time.

BUT there are ALSO CLEAR CUT COMMENTS that Seth has said.

And when Seth, Jane and Rob REPEATEDLY said that he would only communicate via Jane in order to protect and maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material–IS one of those times.

This is an F1, physical reality, practical statement of INTENT clearly repeated over and over. It is question of identity theft.

Take you for example: IF many people started posting here and elsewhere using YOUR NAME and background information–posting things you may never say and which you may strongly agree with–in YOUR NAME…eventually your ACTUAL POSTS would get lost in the mix of all the fake-inavalan quotes. YOUR “material,” your actual thoughts and posts, would get lost.in the mix.

That is not a murky, misty metaphysical concept open to interpretation.

To say that EVERYTHING Seth says is open to interpretation is just disingenuous.

And the same with the quote you gave which is CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY Seth talking to the class members.

I’m curious, inavalan, honestly, have you actually read the 26 quotes? If so, do you have any comments to make on any of them?

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Ron Writes: I am privy to Seth that you and all the others have NEVER seen. This would make one hell of a great Seth publication…THE LOST SETH SESSIONS.

Barrie Responds: Ron, Please get serious. What a straw man argument! Posting or publishing as-of-yet unpublished Seth material that Seth gave via Jane while Jane was still alive–has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with claiming that Seth is still around communicating new material to others–when he repeatedly said he would NOT do so–in order to maintain and protect the integrity and authenticity of the material. Get real–for once in this thread at least.

Ron Writes: There is no such thing as getting all the necessary Seth information you need and you need NO MORE. As Jane’s Seth stated many times, "The Seth material is ENDLESS. Now, Barrie, Is the Seth material really endless? Cheers, ron, a personality with a message who does not need a permission slip to teach the material.

Barrie Responds: This is what Seth about people like you that can’t let go of Seth:

Seth (Deleted Session, 7-2-77): “Many of the people who read my books …are afraid…of going out on their own, s o to speak…They think "IF I HAD A SETH, I too would progress….”

Seth (Deleted Session, 7-2-77, longer version): “Many of the people who read my books …realize that the authorities know far less than they originally supposed. They are afraid, however, of going out on their own, so to speak…

"They do not trust themselves. They do not have the stamina, or the resoluteness, however, yet, to face a reality in which THEY are the creators of their circumstances. They no longer TRUST religion or science in organizational terms…They must accept the fact that Ruburt…will dare to follow the dictates of the inner self, and this makes the entire affair more frightening to them…

"… and since they distrust themselves they cannot really understand how the two of YOU trust yourselves as much as you do. They use MY position as a substitute for the authority they are trying to give up. They think "IF I HAD A SETH, I too would progress….”

Seth (Deleted Session 7-2-77): “People become FRIGHTENED sometimes…They want to think that I spring AUTOMATICALLY into your lives, as SUPERMAN. They did not question Superman. Only a simple change of clothing was required for our hero, Mr. Kent. They do NOT want Ruburt’s inquiring mind to intrude.

"What comic book reader wants to bother with a CLARK KENT … Or worse–wants Clark Kent to shout out from the phone booth, or wherever: “You can do (YOUR VERSION) of this too because we ALL have a reality in which we are Clark Kent AND Superman at one and the same time”? Such people simply want Superman to PERFORM his miracles.

"They want to keep Clark Kent and Superman entirely SEPARATE on a mental, psychical, and physical basis, and ONLY in the terms of our analogy…I become a SUPERSOUL rather than SUPERMAN. They do NOT want my AUTHORITY questioned…They think that if THEY had their OWN SUPERSOUL they would have FAR better sense than Ruburt, and they would use me as if I were a MAGIC GENIE. They are afraid Ruburt might…QUESTION ME OUT OF EXISTENCE, for they do NOT understand that Ruburt’s questions, and YOURS (Rob’s), your sense of integrity, are partially responsible for a “superman” rather than a SUPERMOUSE.”

Barrie Continues: YES, the material is endless and it is already in us all. And other entities, selves and inner voices speak them today. It is NOT SETH’S MATERIAL…it is EVERYBODY’S ancient wisdom material that is STILL OUT THERE and can never be NOT out there.

So, I never said or implied to no one needs anymore information. This is just another red herring of yours.

And ALL OF THIS, has NOTHING to do with what Seth said about only communicating via Jane in order to protect and maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material…and also to avoid great distortion, by the way.

And also, I never said, thought or implied that Seth needed permission to speak from anyone. Seth stated HIS INTENT in his own words–backed up and explained futher by Jane and Rob–that his INTENT is to only communicate via Jane in order to maintain and protect the integrity of the material.

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I browsed them. To me, they don’t add any weight.

I also used @Christopher 's search engine: (“distort material”~5 OR “material distort”~5) AND integrity

It seems that the Seth Material’s future integrity was more Jane’s and Rob’s concern that Seth’s. It is understandable, but it also indicates a human perspective, not an evolved non-physical entity’s perspective.

It is likely that, because of her emotional involvement, Jane might’ve honestly distorted to some degree Seth’s input on the subject of the integrity of her channeled material.

I already expressed my opinion about the subject in my recent postings.

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Some obviously contradictory statements in the same session:

"(Some of the material obtained is verbatim, some is not because of Seth’s rapid delivery. I made no attempts, seriously, to slow him down. The very beginning of the session is not recorded because I was working in the studio in the back of the apartment when Seth came through as Jane, Eve and Tam sat in the living room.

[… 3 paragraphs …]

My friend here, Ruburt, is my mouth, and speaks for me. You may at some time be in communication with others. I will never speak through anyone other than Ruburt, simply because there must never be any doubt of the origin of the Seth material.

[… 22 paragraphs …]

Now. I would simply visit with you now … for friendly purposes … I am a teacher and I have this work. It must come only from one source.

That has been done before. All of this has been done before. Through many ages, in one way or another, I have spoken. (Humorously:) I never shut up. And others have spoken … And there is always the difficulty in maintaining the integrity of the material and keeping it free of distortion… I have worked very hard to help Ruburt condition himself to provide for the material’s integrity and cut down on distortions (Smile:) I would be appalled at going through that all over again.

[… 35 paragraphs …]"

—TES9 Session 454 December 7, 1968

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inavalan Writes: “I browsed them. To me, they don’t add any weight….

Barrie Responds: They didn’t add any weight because you didn’t read them. It’s like saying you picked up one pound and say another one pound and conclude that thousands pounds don’t weigh so much. Well, if you picked up the thousand pounds, then the weight would be evident. And if you READ the quotes, you would clearly SEE the weight.

inavalan Continues: It seems that the Seth Material’s future integrity was more Jane’s and Rob’s concern that Seth’s.

Barrie Comments: No offense, but you really don’t know the quotes. It seems that way to you because you only BROWSED the quotes. The FACT is that you do not know the quotes.

Do you know that there are NINETEEN Seth quotes; and 5 more quotes of Jane and Rob talking SOLELY about what Seth said. Then, there was one quote from Jane about how upset she was. And there was one from Rob speculating about Seth.

And YOU sum this up by saying “that the Seth Material’s future integrity was more Jane’s and Rob’s concern that Seth’s.”

You got to be kidding me…and kidding yourself. But you may not even realize this because you only BROWSED the quotes.

So, no, inavalan, the future of the Seth material was very much SETH’S CONCERN! If you actually NOW READ the quotes below, then you would know this.

inavalan Continues: It is understandable, but it also indicates a human perspective, not an evolved non-physical entity’s perspective.”

Barrie Comments: It IS a human perspective because that is what Seth is talking about.

The quotes were solely about F1 and Seth’s practical INTENT to only communicate via Jane in order to maintain and protect the integrity of the material. Seth IS talking ABOUT the human perspective. He wants to protect his material with JANE on Earth; not in some nonphysical universe. Likewise, when Seth asks Rob if he needs a break…he is talking about the human perspective.

And Rob addressing this issue in the quotes, but you didn’t read that…you didn’t even browse that.

So, inavalan, you browsed the quotes? Are you kidding me? Is browsing now your substitute for reading? You’re conclusions show that you browsed very little and read nothing:

So, in order to make it easy for you, I’ve distilled out Seth’s comments, so you can only see Seth’s quotes. Why not read them, then READ them ALL 26 for the first time…and THEN comment WITH something with more substance.

But you won’t because people who take your position REFUSE to read the quotes and remain in their self-imposed blinded of their opinions.

In these quotes Seth ALSO talks about his relationship to Rob and Jane. He explains why people want a Seth without a Jane. He explains that people would use his name as a symbol and on and on.

SO, instead of just speculating and browsing, why not read these quotes, and then the read ALL 26?

Let me remind you that these are SETH’s, words. NOT my words; NOT or my opinions; and NOT the words of any Seth “experts” getting it wrong. CAPS have been added for emphasis only…

SO, HERE ARE THE DIRECT SETH QUOTES:

Barrie Comments: Seth Communicates Only Thru Jane–And Rob IS NEEDED:
SETH (Session 110): "…RUBURT (LOUDER) WILL PRESENT MY MATERIAL FOR ME…

SETH (Session 454, 12-7-68, Early Sessions 9): “My friend here, Ruburt, is my mouth, and speaks for me**…I WILL NEVER SPEAK THROUGH ANYONE OTHER THAN RUBURT**, simply because there MUST NEVER BE ANY DOUBT OF THE ORIGIN OF THE SETH MATERIAL.”

SETH (Session 510, 1-19-70, Seth Speaks):

"MY COMMUNICATIONS WILL COME EXCLUSIVELY THROUGH (JANE) AT ALL TIMES, to protect the integrity of the material…”

SETH (Session 15, 1-13-64, Early Sessions 1): "Joseph, your part in these sessions is extremely important. WITHOUT YOUR PARTICIPATION THEY COULD NOT HAVE BEGUN, NOR COULD THEY CONTINUE. Because of our past alliances the three of us are closely bound together. However, I need the two of you in order to come through at all.”

SETH (Session 58, 6-1-64): “RUBURT and myself are offshoots of the same entity…And now, my dear patient JOSEPH, may I tell you THAT YOU ARE ALSO PART OF THAT SAME ENTITY - AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I AM ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU BOTH."

SETH (Session 170): “My concern is with the material I am presenting…RUBURT (LOUDER) WILL PRESENT MY MATERIAL FOR ME…It is largely disregarded, the sort of personality which is required in this endeavor. It simply happens that because of past relationships I know Ruburt well, and Ruburt knows me FAR better than he imagines. He knows well who I am, and I know who he is…NOR SHOULD JOSEPH’S PART IN THIS ENDEAVOR BE FORGOTTEN. It is more complicated than you may suppose. Now, I have trained Ruburt and taught Ruburt so that his valid clairvoyant experiences can be put on some sort of scientific basis…He is an intelligent and intuitional personality, and should be given credit.”

SETH (Session 463, 2-5-69, Early Sessions 9): "Now, when you see what Ruburt can do occasionally, and the troubles I can have with distortion, then you can be sure that **I WOULD NOT DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE CHANCES FOR DISTORTION BY ATTEMPTING TO SPEAK THROUGH ANYONE ELSE…**There is also something else that he seems to have forgotten–that your own relationships, yours (Rob’s) and Ruburt’s and the relationships BETWEEN US in the past, do much to make our communications possible.”

SETH (Session 47): “This material WITH ALL MY BEST EFFORTS, and with yours (Rob & Jane), of necessity must contain distortions merely in order to make itself exist at all on your plane…ANY material, to exist on your plane…MUST be somewhat distorted. I must use phrases with which your minds are somewhat familiar…If I did not take advantage of your own camouflage system, then YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE MATERIAL…Inner data…MUST make its entry through some distortion… THIS MATERIAL IS MORE VALID THAN ANY MATERIAL POSSIBLE ON YOUR PLANE.”

SETH (ESP Class, 12-19-72): “Seth Speaks should be called You Speak and You Speak and You Speak. SO LISTEN TO YOURSELVES.”

Barrie Comments: Why The Need To Believe Seth Is Still Here:

SETH (Deleted Session, 7-2-77): “Many of the people who read my books …are afraid…of going out on their own, s o to speak…They think "IF I HAD A SETH, I too would progress….”

SETH (Deleted Session, 7-2-77, longer version): “Many of the people who read my books …realize that the authorities know far less than they originally supposed. They are afraid, however, of going out on their own, so to speak…

"They do not trust themselves. They do not have the stamina, or the resoluteness, however, yet, to face a reality in which THEY are the creators of their circumstances. They no longer TRUST religion or science in organizational terms…They must accept the fact that Ruburt…will dare to follow the dictates of the inner self, and this makes the entire affair more frightening to them…

"… and since they distrust themselves they cannot really understand how the two of YOU trust yourselves as much as you do. They use MY position as a substitute for the authority they are trying to give up. They think "IF I HAD A SETH, I too would progress….”

SETH (Deleted Session 7-2-77): “People become FRIGHTENED sometimes…They want to think that I spring AUTOMATICALLY into your lives, as SUPERMAN. They did not question Superman. Only a simple change of clothing was required for our hero, Mr. Kent. They do NOT want Ruburt’s inquiring mind to intrude.

"What comic book reader wants to bother with a CLARK KENT … Or worse–wants Clark Kent to shout out from the phone booth, or wherever: “You can do (YOUR VERSION) of this too because we ALL have a reality in which we are Clark Kent AND Superman at one and the same time”? Such people simply want Superman to PERFORM his miracles.

"They want to keep Clark Kent and Superman entirely SEPARATE on a mental, psychical, and physical basis, and ONLY in the terms of our analogy…I become a SUPERSOUL rather than SUPERMAN. They do NOT want my AUTHORITY questioned…They think that if THEY had their OWN SUPERSOUL they would have FAR better sense than Ruburt, and they would use me as if I were a MAGIC GENIE. They are afraid Ruburt might…QUESTION ME OUT OF EXISTENCE, for they do NOT understand that Ruburt’s questions, and YOURS (Rob’s), your sense of integrity, are partially responsible for a “superman” rather than a SUPERMOUSE.”

Barrie Comments: Seth As SYMBOL In Dreams, Out Of Bodies, Automatic Writing, And Other Communications:

SETH (ESP Class, 3-12-74): Class Member: “Seth, would you help me in my DREAMS if I tried to contact you?”

SETH Responds: “You help yourself in your own dreams. You do not need me. You may use the SYMBOL of me, but when you do, it is a SYMBOL OF YOUR OWN INNER KNOWLEDGE, for I am the SYMBOL OF THE KNOWLEDGE THAT DWELLS WITHIN EACH OF YOUR PSYCHES. I am MYSELF, but beyond that I am the SYMBOL of the knowledge that dwells within each of your psyches.”

SETH (Session 876, 8-27-79): "A woman wrote that she was involved with. . . correspondences in which I was communicating with her, and she was certain that this would prove beyond a doubt my own independent nature, since I [would have given] messages to another medium besides Ruburt. The woman was quite convinced of that.

"Other people have written that I have given them such messages. Another woman DREAMED of me; and had an experience in which a child was definitely healed. Now, I DID NOT COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE WOMEN—BUT THEIR BELIEF IN ME HELPED EACH OF THEM USE CERTAIN ABILITIES. One woman has done some writing—not very good—but still, those abilities came to the fore. The other woman was able to use her OWN healing abilities.”

SETH (2-12-74): Class Transcript: “Arthur then addressed Seth describing an experience of the past week wherein he was trying to get out-of-body and found that he was unable to do so. After trying, without success, to get out-of-body, he thought he had heard Seth say, ‘The Mona Lisa is very, very heavy.’ He could not understand that statement.”

SETH Responds: Now, the voice was your own interpretation of what I might have said to you. But it is your interpretation, and so you should by rights tell me what it means! But for now, I will give you a clue: Sweetness and light comes hard. It is my interpretation of your interpretation!

SETH (Session 463, 2-5-69): “IT IS QUITE NATURAL THAT OTHERS…who are experimenting SHOULD GO THROUGH A STAGE IN WHICH IT SEEMS TO THEM THEY ARE RECEIVING INFORMATION FROM ME. Suggestion operates, and any trance deeper than ordinary for them can be interpreted in these terms.”

SETH (ESP Class, 4-17-73): “If you are quick, and if you are intuitive, and if you are courageous, and if some evening you listen to my voice in the proper mood**, then you can follow YOURSELF to the heart of yourself, using the voice as a road or vehicle.**”

----END OF EXCERPTS-----

Barrie Comments: This concludes Seth’s excerpts. Do you REALLY still believe that this was mostly Rob and Jane who said who were concerned Seth would only communicate via Jane in order to protect and maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material?

Do you really think that Seth would simply CHANGE his mind AFTER Jane’s death and contaminate his material by now communicating thru ANYONE who asks?

That he would NO LONGER CARE about the integrity and authenticity of his material AFTER Jane died?

Why not relieve yourself from your self-imposed ignorance and actually READ ALL YOUR THE QUOTES. Don’t pretend that browsing is reading. You have shown by your comments that that certainly is NOT the case.

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I don’t have to read all you write to understand where you’re coming from. I don’t find your argumentation valid, but I don’t intend to convince you. I just expressed my opinion.

The Seth entity that Jane channeled taught and will teach others. We don’t know whom, and it doesn’t matter.