Where is Seth now? Is there any more contact with either Ruburt or Seth?

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Barrie Responds: Ron, what do I think?

First, I didn’t state my beliefs. I stated what Seth, Jane and Rob verbatim actually said in their words—not mine—over the 19 years of the Seth material–about how Seth would only communicate via Jane in order to protect and maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material.

Secondly, Ron, I think that you are really a disturbed person. I don’t know what else to think.

Do you actually believe that anyone can take these fallacious lies of yours seriously? My sincere comments and Seth-Jane-Rob quotes really hit a nerve and sent you off the deep, deep end.

I told Rick Stack, my friend, about these lies and this is what Rick wrote me:

"My friend Barrie Gellis has asked me to give an accurate description about his participation in Jane Robert’s Seth Class, due to some rumors going around that he upset most people in Jane’s class or bothered them or whatever. As Barrie has been such an excellent and important contributor to the online Seth community all these years, I think it is important to clear up such false rumors. I attended over 100 of Jane’s Seth classes myself and was there to see pretty much all of the ones that Barrie attended. I can say unequivocally that not only did most class members obviously like and respect Barrie, but so did Jane Roberts. And I also recall Seth referring to Barrie quite affectionately. This doesn’t mean, of course, that there were no animated discussions or disagreements between class members at times. That was part and parcel of that magnificent and spontaneous class. And in that spirit, I would encourage Seth readers to by all means continue with vigorous discussion and debate, while simultaneously respecting and honoring the integrity of each person’s voice.”

Rick Stack

Ron Also Writes: “In a conversation about you by two former class members, one still alive in CA whom I’m not naming, AND THE OTHER, RICHIE who recently passed, they told me…”

Barrie Continues: That California class member “still alive in CA” – as you know is Richie Wolinksy– as you previously gave his name when you lied about me back in March 2022.

In this current lying post of yours, Ron, you FORGOT to edit out your comment that the person who “recently passed (was) the other Richie” (Kendall)– alluding to the first CA class member – Richie Wolinsky.

Well, I wrote to Richie Wolinsky about what you said back in March 2022…and this is what he gave me permission to post. Please note that the “Dickie” to whom Wolinksy refers is “the other Richie,” Richie Kendall who has passed on.

Richie Wolinsky Wrote:

Richie Wolinsky (3-7-22): “Ron is mistaken. I never said that and I never heard you referred to as ‘The Pope.’ Obviously, Dickie can’t speak for himself. But I never heard anyone call you the Pope.

“Also, insofar as I know, I’ve never thought or heard any of the boys, ever, say that you felt your interpretation was the only interpretation and everyone else was wrong. I’d further go on and say I don’t recall if you and I were in more than a couple of classes together — I assume we must have been, but basically you dropped out before I became a regular member of the class.

“I don’t know where Ron got the idea I said that to him, because I didn’t.”

Barrie NOW Comments: Ron, what repulsive, hideous dark depths have you lowered yourself into while demeaning yourself—not only to lie about me–but to INVOKE the name of a DEAD class member—who you know can’t speak for himself. And not only that—Dickie was my best friend for many decades…along with Rick Stack.

I shudder to think about what is really and deeply wrong with and within you?

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You are still The Pope that you’ve always been, so it is have fun with the pontif, LOL…ron.

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Sorry, there’s FORTY years of Seth material as Seth stated but Jane only was able to give almost 21, however, Jane in another probable reality lived into her 80s and did, indeed, deliver 40-plus years of Seth, and, since all time is simultaneous, those missing 19 years are, in fact, NOT missing and are available for perception by gifted Sethians who seek it, you see. ron, a personality with a message and a Seth practitioner who hosts, SETH FORCE on Facebook.

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Ron, is that how you justify your vicious lies? With more lies? You are a seriously sick human being.

And, as you know, there have been many other nasty and cruel lies that you have spread about me—including of personal matters including my family.

I have to say, you are a sick, disturbed human being.

You are very Trump-like.

I would say that from observing and experiencing your hidden dark side and your lying, remorseless behavior—you seem to be a pathologically-lying narcissist with some psychopathic traits.

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Barrie, my friend, FYI, Seth already had a Christ Book READY to dictate and told Jane that she could have the Christ Book whenever she wanted it…HOWEVER, Jane refused Seth and remarked that she was not comfortable with receiving highly controversial, for the times, Christ information, and her Catholic upbringing had a small bearing, but Jane left the Church in her teens. Seth did, however, sneak in considerable “bits and pieces” of Christ information, including, during a session, satisfying Rob’s curiosity when Seth mentioned that the historical figure, Christ, was NOT crucified, but another man took his place, and that is when Seth revealed the name of the “other” man who was crucified inplace of Christ, and Seth made it abundantly clear to Rob to NOT record the name in his notes and not to mention it to anyone because of the potential negative repercussions that could come about, and, beside, Jane and Rob’s publisher, Prentice - Hall, would not be interested in publishing such a highly controversial book and get serious backlash, possibly having the presses burned down by religious fanatics and such. So, Seth’s Christ Book exists in Seth’s memory bank and is awaiting the right earth psychic medium to hand it off to, but still not yet. Seth will, of course, change disguises and persona when he eventually selects a person to work with in dictating the Christ Book, which, in it, Seth does, indeed, reveal the name of the man who was crucified in place of the historical Christ. Now, since ALL Seth sessions and ALL Seth - Jane ESP sessions exist in the glorious present’s archives, the psychological records library, and ALL Seth sessions are free to review, for educational purposes, by gifted persons who want to know the REAL crucifixion drama, for the psychic inquiry, I, in my before sleep dream suggestion, projected myself, my consciousness, and I visited that Seth session where Seth revealed the name of the man who was crucified in place of Christ, and, low and behold, the name Seth revealed was the SAME NAME that my space friend from another reality revealed to me during my period of contact, that began in early February of 1962, years before I read Seth Speaks in 1974. So, I had TWO SOURCES with the name of that man, so that’s why I know that Seth was “on the money” here. Also, in my dream adventures in Seth University, Dream Campus, my characterization, my no-name dream teachers aim me in new directions of inquiry and exploration, and, of course, I arrive in Seth University through my INNER asking, for I ask and I receive. I join many, many Seth sessions by tasking my inner being to take me there, and in the published Sessions, Seth often reveals that he has other students he is working with in adjacent realities AS HE IS SIMULTANEOUSLY TEACHING Jane and Rob and his ESP students. I have also, in my dreams, glimpsed the “Cliff’s Notes” of Seth’s Christ book, where he goes into detail as to what happened to Christ, the real Christ, that is, after the crucifixion of the “other” guy. This is Christ information that is not widely known and it is exceptionally interesting, Christ being the profound teacher, healer and miracle worker that he was, and having greater powers than Jane’s Seth, as admitted by Jane’s Seth, but that was decades ago and things have greatly evolved and expanded. I know the name of that man, and his historical importance in the Christ crucifixion drama. I have revealed it on my, SETH FORCE - The Adventure in Consciousness Continues, site on Facebook, and here my members get “inside” Seth material information not known and not even mentioned on other sites. I have considerable UN-PUBLISHED Seth information, that is, NO book reference, and this I also share on SETH FORCE. More later…ron.

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Ron,This straw man post is totally immaterial to the fact that Seth, Jane and Rob repeatedly and clearly stated and explained that Seth would only communicate via Jane in order to protect and maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material.

And it totally deflects from and ignores the fact that you remorselessly create and repeat nasty, cruel lies about me which expose your very active and vicious not-so-hidden dark side generating what seems to be your pathologically-lying narcissistic behavior with psychopathic characteristics.

You repeatedly lie with the intent to harm with no remorse or owning up to it.

This actually throws into doubt any supposed truth regarding anything you say about anything.

This doesn’t mean that everything you say about anything IS a lie. It means that everything you say about anything can’t ever simply be accepted as the truth.

Very sad case.

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This is have FUN with Barrie period, I always get your goat, my, you’re so easy, I’m PLAYING with you, LOL! – Ron.

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Sorry, Ron. That was Trump’s line and lie also when his lies were exposed: “It was a joke.”

You have also told these lies about me behind my back when you knew I couldn’t even read them.

You have repeatedly lied about me for years in your attempt to discredit me when I share that Seth, Jane and Rob said that Seth would only communicate via Jane in order to protect and maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material.

Your narcissism and dishonesty won’t let you own up to your lies.

Therefore, it becomes impossible for you to allow yourself to have a conscience and to admit, feel and express remorse.

It seems that you are not yet ready or able to honestly deal with your behavior and your self in this lifetime.

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Barrie, FYI, I got a lot of my “inside” information from your good friend, Laurel Davies - Butts, who came immediately to be with Rob in 1985 soon after Jane transcended and lived with Rob and maintained him until he passed in 2008, and she told me stuff that Rothen living members of Jane’s ESP classb told her about the various ESP class members, so if you ave issues, go call on Laurel. In addition I had pre-internet social media conversations with a few members of Jane’s ESP class and they told me that you were given the moniker of the “Pope” because of your “holier than thou” attitude and your beliefs in Seth were the ONLY beliefs or you attempted to destroy the person that does not agree with your narrow-minded, in particular Richie Kendall confided in me this info, and he told me that Barrie thinks that he IS the Seth material, of course, just his opinion, and later, before he passed, he was so kind enough to send me ALL his Seth-Jane-Rob memorabilia for inclusion in my SETH MUSEUM COLLECTION, that’s how much Richie thought of me, you see. So get with Laurel if you want to get to the bottom of your Pope moniker. Like you did decades ago, you ARE the POPE and you PROJECT upon everyone, you try to trash everyone who disagrees on your Seth opinion, guess your over-blown ego can’t handle that one, LOLOLOL…Now have FUN my friend…ron, Seth Practitioner who hosts SETH FORCE on Facebook…

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Excuse the typos, LOL, not enough java yet…ron

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Ron, I just debunked these exact lies with testimony from Wolinsky and Ricky a few days ago. You are a sick human to repeat them. The last thing you wrote was that your lies were meant as jokes. You continue to tie yourself up in lying, mental knots of your own anguish.

Let me repeat the debunking:

First, Seth, Jane and Rob verbatim actually said in their words—not mine—over the 19 years of the Seth material–about how Seth would only communicate via Jane in order to protect and maintain the integrity and authenticity of the material.

Secondly, Ron, I think that you are really a disturbed person. I don’t know what else to think.

My sincere comments and Seth-Jane-Rob quotes really hit a nerve and sent you off the deep, deep end.

I told Rick Stack, my friend, about these lies and this is what Rick wrote me:

"My friend Barrie Gellis has asked me to give an accurate description about his participation in Jane Robert’s Seth Class, due to some rumors going around that he upset most people in Jane’s class or bothered them or whatever. As Barrie has been such an excellent and important contributor to the online Seth community all these years, I think it is important to clear up such false rumors. I attended over 100 of Jane’s Seth classes myself and was there to see pretty much all of the ones that Barrie attended. I can say unequivocally that not only did most class members obviously like and respect Barrie, but so did Jane Roberts. And I also recall Seth referring to Barrie quite affectionately. This doesn’t mean, of course, that there were no animated discussions or disagreements between class members at times. That was part and parcel of that magnificent and spontaneous class. And in that spirit, I would encourage Seth readers to by all means continue with vigorous discussion and debate, while simultaneously respecting and honoring the integrity of each person’s voice.”
Rick Stack
——-

Ron Also Writes: “In a conversation about you by two former class members, one still alive in CA whom I’m not naming, AND THE OTHER, RICHIE who recently passed, they told me…”

Barrie Continues: That California class member “still alive in CA” – as you know is Richie Wolinksy– as you previously gave his name when you lied about me back in March 2022.

In this current lying post of yours, Ron, you FORGOT to edit out your comment that the person who “recently passed (was) the other Richie” (Kendall)– alluding to the first CA class member – Richie Wolinsky.

Well, I wrote to Richie Wolinsky about what you said back in March 2022…and this is what he gave me permission to post.

Please note that the “Dickie” to whom Wolinksy refers is “the other Richie,” Richie Kendall who has passed on.

Richie Wolinsky Wrote:
Richie Wolinsky (3-7-22): “Ron is mistaken. I never said that and I never heard you referred to as ‘The Pope.’ Obviously, Dickie can’t speak for himself. But I never heard anyone call you the Pope.
“Also, insofar as I know, I’ve never thought or heard any of the boys, ever, say that you felt your interpretation was the only interpretation and everyone else was wrong. I’d further go on and say I don’t recall if you and I were in more than a couple of classes together — I assume we must have been, but basically you dropped out before I became a regular member of the class.

“I don’t know where Ron got the idea I said that to him, because I didn’t.”
———

Barrie NOW Comments: Ron, what repulsive, hideous dark depths have you lowered yourself into while demeaning yourself—not only to lie about me–but to INVOKE the name of a DEAD class member—who you know can’t speak for himself. And not only that—Dickie was my best friend for many decades…along with Rick Stack.

I shudder to think about what is really and deeply wrong with and within you?

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Lol! I’m reminded of:

Jan 20, 2013 Seth: Practicing Idealists - Ron Card: … To me Obama has made my guns more valuable commodities whereby profits will be realized due to the hysteria caused by the events. So, I’m selling, actually have already sold my six assault-style rifles and
hi-cal magazines along with the ammo because I no longer need them.
Now is the best time to sell the guns I have that are on the hit list. I
still have plenty of guns not on the hit list, like hunting rifles and
revolvers and low-capacity magazines. To me guns are play toys in my
strict world. …

March 3, 2016 FB Elias Forum: … Philip Mollica: Please begin by simply telling us how many guns you own?

Ronald H. Card: ZERO!..ron

Philip Mollica: When did you dispose of your arsenal?

Ronald H. Card: ???..ron
Ronald H. Card: Let’s have fun with Philip!..ron

Philip Mollica: Ron - we have a long history. Perhaps you don’t remember, but I do.

Ronald H. Card: Which reality was that?..ron

Philip Mollica: Redirect, cower, run away. Time to run to the Seth Chair…

Ronald H. Card: Were we aspects in another existence?..ron

Philip Mollica: Sounds like a split personality, Ron. Nothing quite so ethereal. You really are quite fragmented, aren’t you?

Ronald H. Card: Thanks Obe Won, speak for yourself, my friend…

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Dear Barrie, my friend, you left out the REAL factor and main source in my investigation, why don’t you try asking Laurel Davies-Butts what Robert Butts revealed to her about goings on in Jane’s ESP classes over the 10 years of classes? Laurel would be more than happy to fill you in on the REAL dope, also Laurel, along with Rob, attended many old Seth conferences and she had her ear to the ground and heard MUCH about goings on in those classes, so, I suggest that you check with Laurel. Again, Richie Kendall also filled me in on certain ESP class members, especially the “POPE.” Have fun, Cheers, ron, Seth Practitioner.

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Ron, I don’t know how else to say this: You seem to be a delusional and cruel liar who cannot be more full of shit.

When trapped in your lies, you said that you were just joking and how easy it is to play me.

I debunked your claim of joking and included how you have lied about me behind my back and you knew I could not see your comments because you had blocked me. That’s playing me? No. That lying about me behind my back.

Once your “joking” joke coverup of your ongoing lies were exposed, you just repeated the original debunked lies.

Now, you say to ask Laurel which would mean that your lies and insults were TRUE and not meant as a joke.

Make up your mind.

You can’t even keep track of your own dishonesty; and you can’t keep your nasty delusional bullshit from oozing out of both sides of your many faces.

All in all, there seems to be no other characterization of your behavior except that it is dishonest, cruel, deranged, defensive and demented.

You lie and lie and lie. And when you are caught in your lies you just repeat the lies and/or just go on to harvest new ones from the compost in your mind.

And ALL with no remorse

Therefore, it seems to me that your behavior models that of a pathologically-lying narcissist with psychopathic tendencies.

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Before we can go any further, tell me what all you learned from your lengthy conversation with Laurel Davies-Butts on the subject of your “Pope-ness.” As you well know, Laurel was married to Rob for over 20 years and Rob confided everything in Laurel, and they were madly in love, as you know. So reveal all Laurel told you…ron.

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Ron, Before we go any further? About what? About you admitting all the nasty lies you made up about me and continue to make up about me?

You keep lying and now throw in a red herring distraction deflecting from owning up to your ongoing lies. I never had any discussion with Laurel on the subject of my “Pope-ness” in class. THAT is your lie.

The lies about the term Pope, me being called that in class, and so on–are solely lies created by you.

Once again, here is what three class members had to say when I told them about your lies over the years:

Rick Stack: "My friend Barrie Gellis has asked me to give an accurate description about his participation in Jane Robert’s Seth Class, due to some rumors going around that he upset most people in Jane’s class or bothered them or whatever. As Barrie has been such an excellent and important contributor to the online Seth community all these years, I think it is important to clear up such false rumors. I attended over 100 of Jane’s Seth classes myself and was there to see pretty much all of the ones that Barrie attended. I can say unequivocally that not only did most class members obviously like and respect Barrie, but so did Jane Roberts. And I also recall Seth referring to Barrie quite affectionately. This doesn’t mean, of course, that there were no animated discussions or disagreements between class members at times. That was part and parcel of that magnificent and spontaneous class. And in that spirit, I would encourage Seth readers to by all means continue with vigorous discussion and debate, while simultaneously respecting and honoring the integrity of each person’s voice.”

Jeffrey Marcus: “I’ve known Barrie Gellis for 55 years. He’s always been honest and sincere. He came with us to Jane Roberts’ weekly ESP class in 1972 and was a well-respected class member for several years. Barrie is a poet and Jane, being a poet herself, took an instant liking to Barrie. Barrie was not known by any nickname while at class.”

Barrie Comments: This is what Richie Wolinsky wrote me when I told him about what Ron said, using him as a source:

Richie Wolinsky: “Ron is mistaken. I never said that and I never heard you referred to as ‘The Pope.’ Obviously, Dickie can’t speak for himself. But I never heard anyone call you the Pope.

“Also, insofar as I know, I’ve never thought or heard any of the boys, ever, say that you felt your interpretation was the only interpretation and everyone else was wrong. I’d further go on and say I don’t recall if you and I were in more than a couple of classes together — I assume we must have been, but basically you dropped out before I became a regular member of the class.

“I don’t know where Ron got the idea I said that to him, because I didn’t.”

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Ask Laurel, as you are afraid to go to the real source of information…I’m waiting…ron.

119

Ron, You just lie and lie and lie and lie. You are very disturbed. Do you also want me to ask my neighbor if she saw Santa Claus last Easter? Grow up, Ron…and find an ounce of honesty.

You repeatedly claim lies about what people said about me in class and how I badly behaved and so forth–and they were ALL lies. I’ve given you comments of three class members when I informed them of your lies and posted their response with their permission.

And now you want me to ask Laurel about your LIES? Are you just going to go thru the phone book?

Ask yourself: Why am I, Ron, such a liar?

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Your moniker, “THE POPE” was bestowed upon you decades before I arrived on the Seth scene and I learned of it from the reports and comments of many members of Jane’s ESP class who were disgusted with your holier than thou attitude because you insisted that your interpretation of Seth was the ONLY interpretation, and you attempted to destroy anyone who did not agree with you and kiss your ass. Your POPE title was yours long before I knew of the group, that is, it existed as you made an ass of yourself and you turned off students and this is where your POPE moniker originated, you see. I’m only repeating what i was told and learned from others in ESP class. No big deal, you should enjoy being called the POPE, as it perfectly fits your personality, from what I gathered from old class members. Ready to be defrocked?..LOL…ron.

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“(To me/Rob:) Your mother did not simply choose to believe, in her old age, in a different past than the one that was accepted by the family—she effectively changed probabilities. She was not deluded or obsessed. Her memory in that regard, now, was not defective: It was the memory of the probable woman that she became.”
—DEaVF1 Chapter 3: Session 891, December 26, 1979